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Westministenders: Before the Fire Alarm of Rome goes off

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RedToothBrush · 11/05/2017 22:22

I’m going to keep this one very simple.

THE DEADLINE TO REGISTER TO VOTE IS 22ND MAY.
www.gov.uk/register-to-vote

Postal votes start to go out on 23rd May.

Your challenge is to persuade someone to register to vote or to get someone who is considering not to, to get their arse to the polling station.

Go forth and harass. Especially women and the young.

That’s it. No frills OP.

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SwedishEdith · 13/05/2017 14:21

Upgrading systems is not as simple pressing the upgrade button and getting on with your life. Often their is a myriad of legacy systems that the business is reliant on that will also need upgrading or even replacing in order to be able to continue on the new version of Windows.

Totally agree with this. NHS is the biggest employer in Europe.

SwedishEdith · 13/05/2017 14:23

Electoral Calculus predictions for my constituency were based on new boundary changes last time I looked. I found it odd.

BestIsWest · 13/05/2017 14:44

Yikes, I'm waiting to hear the result of an interview for a public sector IT post. It's bad enough trying to get stuff upgraded in the private sector. Maybe I should have a re-think.

prettybird · 13/05/2017 14:55

Howabout - the photo I took was at an earlier stage (and the finished product one was only the 8th iteration: it took 13 iterations until I had the timings down to almost the second) , so I do boil it for longer (so that it is still "soft ball" stage, but only just). I prefer it slightly crisper too (but yes, it must also be melt in the mouth).

Re the fudge v tablet: after a number of heated discussions with some South Africans, I have had to accept that what they call fudge in South Africa is what we would call tablet. (I presume my mum had either forgotten that, didn't make it in SA or didn't think to tell me; by the time I was back into tablet making, i couldn't ask her Sad)

I could try and bring this back on topic via "Helensburgh" toffee/tablet to say there is some debate as to how many jobs Trident actually brings to Helensburgh and how many are contractors/MoD personnel who are there on secondment/placement from elsewhere in the country (many of whom go home at weekends).

LurkingHusband · 13/05/2017 15:19

Upgrading systems is not as simple pressing the upgrade button and getting on with your life. Often their is a myriad of legacy systems that the business is reliant on that will also need upgrading or even replacing in order to be able to continue on the new version of Windows.

Also factor in that piece of software that has been critical since 1996 ... but the vendor has long since gone out of business, and no one has a clue what the original specs were, and it will only run on Windows 95 ....

It's also a bit rich of the government, in the shape of that Hunt, to point the finger at the NHS ... maybe if they had provided the money for an upgrade ?

Is it too much to hope Capita/ATOS were hit ?

twofingerstoEverything · 13/05/2017 15:56

From Little Britain First FB:

Westministenders: Before the Fire Alarm of Rome goes off
BiglyBadgers · 13/05/2017 16:17

bestiswest. It depends very much which organisation you are talking about. Some are far better than others, but a lot are very frustrating. Things are getting better and in local government at least GDS has made a huge difference and provide a more workable template for councils to work towards (you may have noticed that a lot recent local government websites share an uncanny resemblance to gov.uk).

I won't lie though, if you take the job prepare for constant frustration and uphill struggles against the mind boggling bureaucracy of the public sector. Plus having to deal with constant budget cuts. On the other hand knowing you are working to improve things for the tax payer rather than buy a new yacht for the shareholders brings a job satisfaction and purpose that keeps me in the public sector however much it drives me nuts. Smile

BiglyBadgers · 13/05/2017 16:31

May had been in touch with Crick.

Westministenders: Before the Fire Alarm of Rome goes off
borntobequiet · 13/05/2017 17:02

Legalising personal use of cannabis was in the 2015 LD manifesto, I expect the MSM didn't bother to read it then. Someone has obviously jumped on it now...

borntobequiet · 13/05/2017 17:03

Sorry, X post with LH.

Kaija · 13/05/2017 17:10

I have to say this evidence of highly targeted subterranean campaigning from KipCon is pretty depressing when you're out delivering a pile of leaflets door to door.

ElenaGreco123 · 13/05/2017 17:57

Kaija Our local (Labour) leaflets are always very targeted, I doubt KipCon could beat that. Admittedly, it is only ward level, but full of almost street-level news. No dog-whistles included though.

I am very naive, amn't I?

RedToothBrush · 13/05/2017 18:14

Naïve yes.

Labour's machine is a mixed bag. It really does depend on the local party as to what you get.

People assume that the likes of the Cons, Lab and LDs have dedicated offices in every constituency. If people really knew how political party machines compared they would be shocked. The further down the political food chain you go, the more you end up in bedrooms and sticky back plastic land. Party activists are bussed in to target areas that need help. If you aren't a target (or defence seat) you are more or less on your own. Unless you are Tory HQ who are doing more and more centrally.

Many political parties in Europe are funded purely through government taxes, and then allowed to parties to keep it fairer.

Here's the thing though. Maybe its like throwing stones at an advancing army, but it still makes a different to individuals even if they can't stop it. Saying you stand by someone in 'enemy' territory when they feel utterly hopeless and forgotten is human and needed. Plus those people do add up. The difficultly is mobilisation and organisation and connecting with those people.

sigh

I've been out with friends today. I've had some interesting conversations. People need enough other even if they can't change the world or stop things they know are going to be utter disaster from happening.

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BestIsWest · 13/05/2017 18:14

Bigly I worked for the public sector for 10 years until my dept was privatised and I was TUPE'd out. I loved it. They did things properly. We had actual standards and documentation.

But that was 20 years ago and I've been in the private sector ever since grumbling about the lack of standards This is with a big civil service employer and sounds perfect for me. I'm just wondering if I have rose tinted specs on.

Kaija · 13/05/2017 18:25

"Saying you stand by someone in 'enemy' territory when they feel utterly hopeless and forgotten is human and needed. Plus those people do add up"

Yes. I think this is very important.

LurkingHusband · 13/05/2017 18:37

Chatting with friends recently, we feel this book is probably a pretty nifty primer, for the next 5 Tory years:

The Time Traveller's Guide to Elizabethan England

especially the parts about folk remedies in the absence of modern medicine ...

Badders123 · 13/05/2017 19:04

It's just scary isn't it?

illegitimateMortificadospawn · 13/05/2017 19:52

On the Tablet issue: DS1 and I accidentally made tablet at Christmas. We were aiming for fudge but got it wrong, or right depending on your point of view. Grin It all got eaten up, regardless.

BiglyBadgers · 13/05/2017 20:02

But that was 20 years ago

I don't want to sound like I hate working in the public sector and it is the worst thing ever. It really isn't. I love it and I have no intention of every going into the private sector if I can help it. But it has changed a lot in the last 20 years. I have been working in local gov for the same place for 10 years and things are different now to when I first joined.

The extreme cuts to budgets mean that there is constant reorganisation and transformation (one year I had 3 letters informing me of possible redundancy in the same month as I had managed to get included in multiple restructurings at the same time), but rarely the budget or the will to do it properly. Corners are cut and there is far more short-termism than there was.

There is often the desire to do radical and impressive things, but there is not necessarily the right skills to enact it and good ideas can get sunk in the political quagmire. As I said, some places are better than others and I think where I work is one of the better ones to be honest.

Of course, while I am ranting about it I am also just about to retrain as a mental health nurse. I shall move from the madness of local gov into the insanity of the NHS. I am a sucker for punishment clearly :o

BigChocFrenzy · 13/05/2017 20:12

Mental health nurse is such an important job and wow what a career change, bigly
You are obviously strong & clever.
Of course, you are a Westministender, goes with the territory Smile

woman12345 · 13/05/2017 20:20

What BigChoc said Bigly
and
Saying you stand by someone in 'enemy' territory when they feel utterly hopeless and forgotten is human and needed. Plus those people do add up
Absofuckinglutely.
and
thanks for leafletting Elena and Kaija Flowers
I am treasuring my labour leaflet. Smile

woman12345 · 13/05/2017 20:24

Blessed as I am to be in a football house, Hmm I saw these the labour plans on club accountability. They have had little exposure; but yet another thing that the Germans do well is have more accountable football clubs, and crucially fairer ticket prices, which Labour are proposing.

www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/labours-manifesto-pledges-football-fans-10401526

BestIsWest · 13/05/2017 20:26

Yes, wow Bigly, that's fantastic.

I have to get the job before deciding whether to take it and there are so many hoops to jump through.

BigChocFrenzy · 13/05/2017 20:28

(ToryGraph Paywall) venerable Leaver Christopher Booker:*
‘Hard borders’ post-Brexit will make red tape even worse*

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/05/13/hard-borders-post-brexit-will-make-red-tape-even-worse/

< on Michel Barnier's visit to RoI and the complicated problems ahead wrt Ireland.
Booker thinks even the EU negotiators don't realise the full complexity of brexit Sad>

Britain’s decision to leave both the single market and the European Economic Area means that the UK automatically becomes what the EU calls “a third country”; which in turn means the re-imposing of “border controls”.

Whatever problems this may create elsewhere in the EU, they are particularly acute in Ireland,
because the two parts of that island, not least their economies, are so closely intermeshed.

For some idea of what this means, we could start by looking at the cross-border trade in what are called “products of animal origin”,
accounting for a significant part of total trade on both sides of the border.

These range from the 10,000 pigs and 1,000 cattle which cross the border each week in both directions, for slaughtering and processing,
to the huge quantities of milk, cheese, butter and other dairy products which, also for processing, may cross the border up to five times before being sold.

All these movements, post-Brexit, will become subject to EU Regulation 2016/429, laying down the five-stage requirements whereby any “third country” can export such products into the EU market.

First, it has to be designated by the European Commission as “an approved country”.

Then, each individual business wishing to export has to be inspected and certified as an “approved establishment”.
These procedures alone could take months to complete.

Thirdly these “products”, including live animals, must be certified as compliant with the EU’s animal health requirements.

Fourthly, they must then be accompanied by those certificates and other relevant documentation.

Fifthly they have to be inspected on arrival in the EU at a “Border Inspection Post”, which can take days.
Only then can they finally be presented to customs controls for admission to the EU.

None of this of course applies to our present borderless trade within the EU, which is one reason why so few businesses either in Britain or Ireland are yet aware of it.

And not the least problem here is that, at present, there are only three EU Border Inspection Posts in Ireland:
two in Dublin, the other at Shannon airport;

which would mean tens of millions of pounds having to be spent on building and staffing new ones near the border for imports from Northern Ireland and the UK.

Ireland’s racing industry fears the implications of all this for trainers and breeders wishing to bring their horses back into the EU from Cheltenham or Newmarket.

But other bureaucratic hurdles will await many other cross-border exports, such as pharmaceuticals, chemicals and all that vast range of products which require a “CE mark” (for Conformité Européene), which can only be granted by a “notified body” based in the EU.

The most public warning so far has come from
the chief economist of the Irish Central Bank,
who claimed that a “hard border” could in coming years cost “40,000 jobs” in southern Ireland alone.

Barnier may blithely hope that he can arrange some “special case” deal with the UK, to ensure a “soft border”, minimising all this bureaucracy.

But here they could find they are falling foul of WTO rules which prohibit discrimination between “third countries”.

Have Mr Barnier and his UK counterparts actually read Regulation 2016/429?
Are they really aware of what they are taking on? Hmm

BigChocFrenzy · 13/05/2017 20:37

I hope you get an offer, Best and with good terms, of course.
They need you and many more like you in public services IT.
Womanning our defenses against the hordes of hackers tunnelling under the fences.

imo, the current hacking lot seem nihilistic, aimless, destruction of anything, rather than really interested in a ransom Hmm

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