Tony Blair on Today Show

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Just wondering what people's views were really.

'Big change of heart' - well that's the key because many of the reasons leave voters voted were of the heart variety so I really don't think pointing out the economic problems is unlikely to change their minds, Just as it didn't when George Osbourne tried that. If anything it makes people even more entrenched in their ideas.

so the remain voters are being encouraged to be 'insurgents' by blair
definition of insurgent:

An insurgent is a rebel or a revolutionary, someone who takes up arms against the authorities.

Insurgent is from the Latin word “insurgentem,” literally meaning “to rise against,” so think of an insurgent as a fighter who rises against the people in power. Often insurgents are considered terrorists because they use violence to intimidate people.

nice - coming from him

it's possible that given time and price rises, feeling will change among some people who voted for Brexit, but didn't have a strong opinion, I had work colleagues, voted for Brexit, and said "I'm not bothered either way." Inflation is set to rise which will affect families just managing, I have Friend who said the uncertainty has affected her work bonus and says Farage was very convincing at the time, but feels lied to, not expecting to experience any hardship. As Tiggy points out who can tell at this stage, only have opinions from people I know.

His time is over. He's a has-been.

I wish he'd just go away.

The only reason he's trying to get air time is because his previous career as a self-proclaimed peace and conflict resolution expert has ended (he patently couldn't deliver); plus his £100,000-per-speech gigs have dried up as it became clear he no longer had access to the rich and powerful any more.

Despite being a multi-millionaire, his avarice means he wants more; and is also a narcissist so is desperate to for attention and wants to be at the centre of things again.

He lied to people over Iraq. He shows no respect for democracy or the will of the people, then or now. He's an odious man. And as far as I'm concerned he can sling his hook.

I voted leave and no amount of economic pressure will make me change my mind.
The doom mongerers suggested that there would be economic turmoil after the vote. Employment is up, the third quarter results are good, Nissan is staying. Ok sterling is down and prices will rise.
But, that odious man Blair thinks we should remain....if I hadn't voted leave I would be a leaver now. He shows no respect for the people. He didn't over Iraq and he isn't now.
What some remainders don't realise is that this is not about economics. Most people don't care about that. They care about immigration levels, making our own laws, controlling our own borders, sovereignty and pressure on public services.

I am not so sure Trying, we'll have to wait and see, but I appreciate you have a very strong belief.

At the moment, the issues voted for may seem more important for many leavers, but most people also care about the price of shopping, fuel and holidays being more expensive. Families struggling already will be strapped even more, principles may fade away....just after the vote I remember reading some Daily Mail readers' comments saying they shouldn't vote with their hearts as some of the disadvantages became clear, for example a question mark over whether they can retire to their property in France, rising price of Euro and pensions being devalued. Anecdotal, I know, but there are leave voters out there who don't feel as strongly as you, it's impossible to say how many will change their minds.

I have just watched Question Time on iplayer; Kier Starmer mentioned how it's great that the Nissan workers won't lose their jobs, but nobody knows what TM has offered and other companies will want the same.

but nobody knows what TM has offered and other companies will want the same.

Nobody, including Theresa May, knows whether this can be delivered. Or if she does have some deal on tariffs, and has to give way on Freedom of Movement, she is going to upset her right wing, who seem to be the only people who matter to her at the moment.

France and Germany use state aid when it suits them.

France took a stake in Peugeot Citroen and Germany is subsidising a shift to renewables.

'The dispute relates to the billions of euros of German public subsidies deployed to promote the energiewende shift to renewables while at the same time shielding heavy industry from the costs. Brussels raised questions over the system being discriminatory and penalising consumers in order to help big industry. '

www.ft.com/content/208f53e6-fd29-11e3-8ca9-00144feab7de

It is also the case that the Nissan factory stands on merit. It is the most efficient factory in Europe.

www.carmagazine.co.uk/features/car-culture/two-born-every-minute-inside-nissans-sunderland-factory-car-february-2016/

I don't think Nissan want to close it down and maybe the reassurances were just a 'letter of comfort' rather than any legally binding subsidy.

One thing's for sure - Tony Blair hasn't done the Remain cause any good at all by piping on about this. His intervention is unwelcome and will be counter-productive. It will just make Leavers even more convinced they voted the right way.

Someone hasn't assassinated him yet?

He needs to STFU. He should be in prison for war crimes and mass murder. I haven't had faith in any politicians since the day he was elected.

He's disappointed because he was hoping to become president of Europe.

I didn't hear the Andrew Marr show this morning but the trade sec. was on. He said they had told Nissan that the government wanted to get tariff free trade for the car industry with the EU. Nissan . There was also talk for relocating component manufacture to the UK to reduce the tariff problems and increase jobs here.
Sunderland is their most efficient factory in Europe so why would they want to move coupled with the fact that they must be making a mint exporting from the UK with the £ being so low.
So I really think this talk of back handers other monetary deals doesn't stack up.

I am surprised TB is still allowed in the public domain actually after all the revelations that have come out about hi, surely his family would have sanctioned him to retirement somewhere presiding over his millions and many mansions?

What trade regulations do you mean exactly Mother of dragons?

I think there is actually a massive range of possibilities regarding trade neither of your doom scenarios seem particularly likely to me.

But Mother off our dragons The factory efficiency has absolutely nothing to do with trade regulations. We are currently in the EU and all the factories in the EU will have the same trade regulations and Sunderland is the best in it's efficiency compared to any others in Europe. So the idea that they would more to another country where the workers were less efficient is unlikely. The gov. has stated to Nissan that they want to get a tariff free deal with the EU in the car industry which I'm sure would suit the Germans, French Spanish and Italians and any other countries who export cars to us. They don't need to do any back hand deals to keep Nissan here.

Even if they did have to pay tariffs it is obviously more productive to build cars in Sunderland together with the fall in the £ still makes the UK very economical.

Issue is with non-tariff barriers rather than tariffs, which is a big deal if you are importing a lot of components.

There is a suggestion that the assurance given to Nissan was that we would remain in the customs union, which would be interesting. How would the hard Brexiteers react to this?