Interesting article - maybe we will end up not leaving the EU.

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I've been following the threads on here with interest, and thanks to everybody posting for making them so informative.

Found this article www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/brexit-article-50-eu-referendum-uk-will-never-leave-says-top-academic-a7214926.html?cmpid=facebook-post Does anybody think it's a real possibility that we won't actually leave the EU?

I think this is going to be one of the costliest exercises in our political history.

Oh, but what a wonderful excuse to starve the NHS and the regions. "You wanted Brexit? We have given you your wish. This is what it cost." [crocodile tears emoticon.]

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just wanted to say this to avoid going over all the old whinging arguments and rebuttals.

I think this is going to be one of the costliest exercises in our political history.

From the Guardian: www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/aug/22/brexit-means-brexit-when-is-big-question

"Some estimates suggest “full Brexit” may take 10 years and involve up to 10,000 people, not only in the new and other so-called “hot” departments such as foreign, home, environment and business, but across the civil service nationally, at an administrative cost of close to £5bn."

Brexit was never going to be cheap. I presume the Leavers knew this.

I think it's perfectly possible that the government will piss an enormous quality of £££ up the wall over a period of several years, during which time the public mood will gradually turn against brexit - partly because those who aren't hardline anti (or pro) EU ideologues will just get bored with the whole subject, and partly because the longer the process takes, the more electoral demographics will shift in favour of remaining (because young voters attaining their majority between now and 2020 will mostly be in favour of remaining, some elderly leavers will die, and because the naturalisation of EU citizens in the wake of the referendum will also increase the pro-EU vote at the next GE).

I think alot of Leavers are not fully aware of the costs involved and got caught in the tide of Nationalism Rule Britannia etc So the attitude of well it does not matter if we have to pay for more civil servants as at least they are British was prevalent at the start.
Once more NHS cuts come and tax/price rises at the same time then some may rethink.
Also many not aware of the Schengen agreement. The UK was allowed to opt out of this whilst smaller countries like Norway were not. We really had the icing on the cake .
The other EU countries know this and so now we will NOT be getting full access to SM without Schengen.
I think the UK should seek an Interim Agreement before Article 50.
I fear that we may even see a rise in people attempting to come to the
uk at least in the short term

I am intrigued as to what the arguments are going to be for and against government at the next election.

Is it all going to be about how Brexit has been handled and how each party promises to move things forward? Do people still expect the government to deliver on its manifesto of 2015 or will they accept that promises had to be sidelined in favour of honouring the Brexit vote?

Will people be voting on past performance as they have always done, or will they be voting on a set of future promises which will likely still have no substance or accountability??

Personally I fear our lost generation of school leavers and graduates will be left even further behind as the country drifts off in directions unknown to anyone.

LoveinTokyo after hearing TM today mention she is after invoking article 50 without parliament's approval, I agree....probably about a year until it's triggered.

I have teenage dc having to enter the job market in Brexit Britain, here's hoping the economic damage isn't too cataclysmic.

Good point Brexit will be one of the most expensive episodes in British history. When Britain voted out of slavery in 1830s, compensation was paid to planters of 20 million (not sure what the equivalent would be now)...at least that was something to be proud of.