Sunderland Documentary/News Articles

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There's a documentary on Sky tonight by Faisal Islan about Sunderland and the reasons it voted out.

The article, and the programme do not appear to cast leave voters in a very good light, this goes along with previous TV pieces, and one recently by the New York Times, who sent a reporter to Sunderland to find out.

So, snapshot of reality, or more smearing of the leave campaign?

Smallfox - there are probably middle income and wealthy people on Mumsnet who voted leave, but you and other Remainers respond to such posters so unpleasantly and with such sarcasm that they can't face joining the debate.

There are plenty who reply though.

She knows we're here Dapple but she prefers to think of the few of us that post about it as aberrations

Ha. I'm very fond of you too

I am in Oxfordshire. I know a couple who voted Leave. They felt a bit sick once they realised how they had been lied to (£350 million a week), and upset that the Leave campaign hadn't the faintest idea what to do.

So yes, let's have a few more people like this on the TV. Oh, and could some one dig out Gove, and Gisela Stuart, and have their opinions too, now that their side has won.

I only know two people who voted Leave - both are the wealthy, Telegraph reading bracket.

One is a QC, for him it was because he didn't like having to sign up to EU law. I asked him if EU law had ever come up against restrictions from EU law in his career (litigation) he said no. He was also concerned about the power of Germany. (All the more reason to stay in Brussels and keep it in check, no?)

He wanted a deal like Liechtenstein, which was given permission to limit the number of new residents for a period of four years when it joined the EEA, but in fact the restrictions are still in place. As its population is 40,000, I think a comparable deal for the UK is highly unlikely.

The second is my mother's BF's husband. Again, a highly educated professional. They divide their time between houses in the UK and France. He feels that the EU has deviated from its original concept. And also that the Euro is not viable in the long term.

He has 4 daughters, two of whom are married to Europeans and live and work in Europe, so they're not best pleased.

Fwiw both can cope with 'debate'.

I asked him if EU law had ever come up against restrictions from EU law in his career (litigation) he said no

I asked him if he had every come up against restrictions from EU law in his career.

My father is probably rather representative of the "city leaver". Old school banking exec (retired), a long-time Eurosceptic who was an original kipper back in the days when they were a one-issue party, before they became BNP-lite (he left in disgust).

He is in favour of the single market and wants an EEA type agreement. Free movement is not an issue for him, brexit is a question of sovereignty and regulation.

He is I think fairly typical of a narrow strand of traditional euroscepticism among wealthy older people, but not at all representative of leave voters generally. I think, though can't be sure, that he would prefer remain to a "hard brexit".

You can ask 20 leave voters what they want from Brexit and they'll all tell you something different. This is the ludicrous nature of the vote. There was no plan. At least political parties have manifestos were there is blueprint/ideology - even if voters are sceptical of pledges being honoured there is something at least even vague to buy into other than a soundbite/slogan.

Mistigri That kind of sums up my reasons for voting leave and those of almost every leave voter I speak to so I'm not so sure it's a narrow strand.

So it was mainly lower income and the wealthy that voted leave with the middle class voting to stay. Sounds about right as it is the middle class which have the most to lose. Jobs, house equity,frerdom of movement....

So the Golgafrincham Ark B voted remain - males a lot of sense.

makes a lot of sense

I'm in London and here 2.3 million voted remain and 1.5 million voted to leave

Indeed.

You can carve it up and analyse it any way you like (regionally, by age group, by housing tenure, educational background or household income) and you will STILL find nothing more conclusive than 40/60 or 30/70 splits.

It's not a result that will lend itself to broad generalisations. No matter how many times it is asserted that 'London voted X ' or 'the MCs voted Y', it's not actuallyTRUE.

That kind of sums up my reasons for voting leave and those of almost every leave voter I speak to so I'm not so sure it's a narrow strand.

I imagine that people in the "city leavers" group tend to know lots of other people from similar backgrounds, of a similar age, and with similar views, so you are probably overestimating how many people there are in this group. Birds of a feather flock together; this also explains why I know so few leave voters.

Except my job involves a huge range of society who all talk openly and I don't live in a city but I do accept the general validity of your statement

9 people in my professional office in SE England.

5 leavers, I was stunned.

The three youngest voted leave, 2 in 20's for no discernible reason other than some anecdotal badly though out reasons influenced by their parents. 1 in her 60's wanted to make Britain Great again. 1 because he sees himself as a bit of a rebel.

The 4 remainders were the ones most interested in politics and economics, who recognised the nuances. Just saying...

And the cleaner who had no idea what the EU was, who never voted and therefore didn't think she was qualified to vote. Wise women

So the Golgafrincham Ark B voted remain - males a lot of sense.

Where Ark B = lots of those nasty "experts", academics, scientists etc who the UK would clearly be better off without and (by implication) you would want evicted from planet GB?

9 people in my professional office in SE England. 5 leavers

At my workplace there was a very distinct line between people in support roles (accounts, shipping), who were more likely to be leavers or on the fence, and those in management, planning, sales and R&D who were as far as I can ascertain 100% remain. This is in England, not London, but in one of the "remain" enclaves.