In denial about Brexit - anybody else?

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"Brexit is Brexit" Theresa May is now PM.

She will no doubt make Chris Grayling the Minister in charge Brexit.

The rest of the EU are busily making plans to proceed as 27.

But still I am in denial.

Any other remainers feel the same?

I am completely on the same page as catbasilio, for all the reasons Pangurban1 listed. We'll end up paying the same to apply basically the same legislation, but with no seat at the table when they decide on it.

Part of leavers protested or wanted a change

But then there were some remainers who said they'd vote remain because although they knew nothing about the EU, they wanted to keep the (non existent) "status quo".

I have accepted it will happen now. I'm intrigued as to what shape Brexit will actually take and which contingent of the Leave voters will be mostly wildly put out about "the reason they voted out" not coming to pass.

"It would not surprise me if brexit either gradually gets abandoned, or gets watered down so much that it looks remarkably like remaining.

"I think this too."

And so do I!

There isn't a drawbridge.

I suppose we could fill in the Channel Tunnel.

It's going to take some time to get used to it all. Mostly what we will be thinking about is cuts though - austerity to make the last five years look like the Rio Carnival. That will take our minds off it, at least.

Do people really think it's impossible to live and work in Europe unless your home nation is part of Europe? Really? No wonder they called it Project Fear...

Yes they do.

And ignore my questions about how, in that case, do American friends live in France, Norwegians in Holland, Chinese in Belgium ad infinitum.

It's perfectly possible to go and work in most countries worldwide as long as you have a job.

I fail to see the problem. Other than language. I used my languages more in Latin America and Canada than I ever did working in EU countries.

Yep I'm dusting off my German, Unlike team brexit I had a plan.

Exactly Mooing - I have three friends who work in Brussels for the EU. All three are Australian. Two of these three I met when they were studying in France under an Erasmus-type scheme.

I've lived and worked in Asia and Africa, both times I have sorted my own visa with no hassle whatsoever. Took 4 days for my working visa for Singapore to be approved. It took 2 weeks for non-EU DH to get working visas in both France and Netherlands.

People have been doing moving, studying, working and living in other countries with visas for years and years. It's not unusual and it's not new. It's really not that difficult either.

I've been reading so many sob stories about poor DS/DDs having their lives ruined by the possibility of not being able to travel/work/study freely because of the EU. Plenty of other young people around the world manage it - why wouldn't young British people manage it?

People have always been able to move if they fit immigration criteria.

However, the idea that it will be easy for everyone once we're outside the EU is simply wrong. I arrived in an EU country in 1997 wirh my partner; I had my own business and he was living off his (sterling) savings while renovating our property. Because he had no employment contract, he was refused a residents' permit. We had to marry in order for him to get the right to stay.

And moving to France (I can't speak for other EU countries) from America or Australia is bloody complex. I have two friends attempting to do this right now. One, who is from California and is moving to Paris, is in a weird catch 22 situation where she can't get her children signed up to a state school without her visa, but can't get a visa without her children having a confirmed school place. The second, who is Australian but has two teenage children with French nationality (by her French ex) and who lived in France here for 15 years before returning home, has been refused a visa twice this year.

I'm another one thinking that this will mean Bremain or at the worst Brexit light and I'm encouraged by the likes of Farage being disappointed in her coronation. She is an evidence based operator and she won't steer us off a cliff. I hope that cabinet appointments tell a tale and that the minister for Brexit is one of the more reasonable Brexiteers or at least someone a bit thick who can be manipulated.

I'm lucky enough to have dual nationality with another EU country and was seriously thinking about moving if Andrea Leadsom became PM, I'm now waiting and seeing but still firmly in denial again and hoping against hope that some rubbish deal will be thrashed out pre-Article 50 which the UK will reject and we can just go back to things the way they were...

I hate the way that the thin veneer of liberalism has been stripped away since the referendum, that racists seem to feel empowered by it (my husband was racially abused on the nearby common in a right-on part of London on Sunday by a middle-aged woman for wearing a foreign football shirt - he is English going back many generations, I can't imagine what it would be like for people who look more obviously foreign ).