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The post-Brexit family tragedy playing out across the UK

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WalesTilly2016 · 28/06/2016 10:53

I am writing this as it is happening within my family and I need to share my heartbreak...

Grandparents are special. To children and young people they are a life-long constant, offering kindness, love, tenderness and an ever-open ear when parents often have to be the opposite out of necessity. They are fun and they are generous. They are quite simply immaculate in the eyes of their grandchildren.

The EU referendum is unfortunately fracturing that traditional relationship.

Young people across the UK have been dismayed at the outcome of the EU referendum, and have wasted no time in voicing their disappointment across the social media platforms they inhabit. The statistics clearly show that younger people are naturally Remainers. They have been born into a modern multicultural world that they see as their oyster, and where the idea of being able to travel and work anywhere with few limitations seems natural. They happily and comfortably school and hang out with people from other cultures, and the idea that they should be outraged because of Germans claim the sunbeds simply doesn’t occur.

The same statistics show the older generation to be firmly in the Leave camp, and the overwhelming driver for them wanting to leave is immigration and a wider dislike of foreigners in general, even if they live in areas where immigrants are few and far between. They have read and bought into the countless scare stories on the pages of the Daily Mail which have successfully built on a heritage of good old-fashioned British xenophobia; where Germans grabbing sunbeds is indicative of how you can’t trust any of them.

This dissonance between young Remainers and old Leavers is resulting in an uncomfortable sea-change in the grandparent-grandchild relationship, and it is currently being played out in countless families across the UK.

The debate as to why older people voted the way they did, and why they think inexperienced younger people are clueless is undoubtedly taking place in households up and down the country as we speak. Young people are voicing their opinions and asking ‘why’, and older people are not holding back on answering them, often in brutal tones. Sadly, for many young people it will be a profound and emotional culture shock when they see and hear their dearly-loved grandparents revealing themselves as xenophobes and foaming-at-the-mouth racists.

It is a tragedy of the deepest order, and one which truly strikes at the heart of our society. Countless grandparents will be revealing to their grandchildren a disturbingly ugly side never previously shown, or even suspected. And for what? All because the morons at the tabloids have been manipulating their readers for their own benefits.

One of the most biting post-Brexit opinions shared on social media is that ‘Old people hate immigrants more than they love their grandchildren’. It is very hard to argue with, and it is truly depressing that a perfectly legitimate political debate about membership of the EU has been polluted and poisoned by rhetoric from the media and politicians that, while successful in achieving a result at the ballot boxes, has come at the cost of fractured family relationships.

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Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 09/12/2018 10:00

Both dhs parents voted remain as did dh and i

Ds1 would have voted remain if he had been old enough

My dad voted leave, i am careful about how i talk around my dad and i have told the children to do the same

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Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 09/12/2018 10:50

Oh shit didnt even notice it was a zombie thread

Fucks sake!!

I probably ignored it the first time round

Why cant old threads just be closed?

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ragged · 09/12/2018 13:22

"you can believe whatever you want"

Sadly, Mantra for our times!

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girlglo · 09/12/2018 17:25

Thank you to everyone who has added to this discussion since I posted last night. ' Deliberately bump an obscure 2.5-year-old thread' - not quite sure what that means as I have not heard that expression before - but assume that it means start up again. Looking for some insights/communication/or whatever (really not sure) I put something in to google - not sure what but probably 'brexit and family rift' or somesuch and this discussion came up. I was and am surprised that very little actually came up. I suspect that is because the problem is actually pretty much 'hidden' (still) as the person who put up the post observed. I know that I personally have not shouted this one from the rooftops, not even to my wider family, who only now two and a half years later have begun to understand that something is up. I still haven't confided in them because I do not want them to think badly of my children - and I don't want to magnify the problem or embed it in the wider family. I cannot speak for others, only for myself, but I do think that if that is how I have felt and am feeling, that some others may have similar feelings/thoughts. That's a lot of baggage to carry hidden, so I make no apologies for my google search. 'I suspect there's other stuff at play, if a referendum can split up a family'. That seems to me to be an easy stone to throw and I think that it probably silences most people. Actually I think that fear of that sort of comment would make most people clam up. It seems to fall in the 'no smoke without fire' approach - there is really nothing you can do or say once that bomb has been dropped. I do think that it has value though as this use of brexit seems to me to fall into a more general political narrative in which generations are being pitched against each other for political gain/to avoid responsibility for political action taken by politicians (of all parties up to last year at least) against every instinct/well thought out reasons against/wish of the generation that is scapegoat. So you have a sacrifical lamb generation and a scapegoat generation - families and society in tatters and no polititical accountability.

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BackInTime · 09/12/2018 17:50

PIL and older members of DHs family voted leave despite knowing that both DHs and my jobs were at risk. We are also just about recovering from redundancy following the 2008 financial crisis. It is hard not to take it personally when people close to you vote for something that puts your home and your children’s future at risk while they sit there financially secure with a final salary pension and not a care inthe world.

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Buteo · 09/12/2018 18:31

So, a new poster revives a zombie thread with “I will never forgive the Remain Campaign for using generations against each other”?

Yeah right.

BTW it was subsequent polling, such as the Lord Ashcroft poll, that highlighted the Leave / Remain split amongst the age groups. Nothing to do with the Remain campaign.

But don’t let facts get in the way of hyperbole.

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girlglo · 09/12/2018 19:17

It is not analysis of who voted which way that is the problem - that is social research analysis and there is a school of thought among people like myself (i.e. deeply equality motivated people) that 'what gets counted gets done' that I believe has some merit. Of course the quality of analysis needs to be considered and that involves critical analysis of the conclusions that are drawn from the figures - what has been focussed on and what glossed over or ignored. My post on this discussion was: 'Whatever the rights and wrongs of Brexit, as a good person, a loving mother and a deeply equality motivated and non-racist person, I will never forgive the Remain Campaign for using generations against each other, for setting up major stereotypes coercively in clever ways, and for destroying my family. For me, it seems akin to the cynical and well documented use in the 1930s of young people in Germany to impose facism on the German people. It was a cynical, deeply unfair and grossly damaging approach. Shame on them.' As far as I can see (I do not claim to see everything) whatever the quality of the campaigns on both sides, there appears to have been a campaign directed effort to use family estrangement, or the threat of it, as a weapon that has damaged families and society. I am not aware of any other campaign using this mechanism in the same way. I don't think that this has been voiced in this discussion before, and I am just communicating my own feelings and thoughts on the matter. It is really astounding that given the widespread problem that appears to exist, that there so little discussion on this matter. When I put my general search into google. I am grateful to the poster for making this post. It is just about all that was out there on this problem.

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Buteo · 09/12/2018 19:53

And repeating your previous post doesn’t make it correct.

You are blaming the Remain Campaign for the statistical fact the Leave vote was demonstrably higher amongst older voters and then insinuating that Remain supporters have used this to create social rifts and are akin to fascists.

As a “deeply equality motivated person” are you equally blaming the Leave campaign for racking up the anti immigrant rhetoric and enabling a certain section of UK society to unleash their latent racism?

And what does being “a good person” and “a mother” have to do with it? Are you Andrea Leadsom?

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Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 09/12/2018 19:57

What buteo said

I am struggling to see how this is remains fault

Surely the fault if any is that of the media and political parties

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Talkinpeece · 09/12/2018 20:01

ZOMBIE THREAD

But the Daily Heil are still bastards

ZOMBIE THREAD

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Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 09/12/2018 20:03

We know talkin Grin

Well i do at any rate girlglo started the sodding thing back up so im not sure she knows

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Buteo · 09/12/2018 20:10

Rufus any cocktail suggestions this evening? Smile

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Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 09/12/2018 20:22

Lynchburg lemonade

Or maybe a godfather

Grin

Ive been very good and only had a beer (so far)

I blame dh

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girlglo · 09/12/2018 20:24

'Are you Andrea Leadsom?' No neither a supporter of that party nor a reader of what another poster called the 'Heil' (I think that was the term used - apologies if I got that wrong). Nor a supporter of war, nor a racist, nor an economic fundamentalist, nor and economic neoliberalist.

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Buteo · 09/12/2018 20:30

Not a racist

Great.

Where’s your condemnation of the Leave campaign for its overt xenophobia?

Or is it just Remainers that are fascists?

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Buteo · 09/12/2018 20:34

Mmmm - like the sound of Lynchburg Lemonade.

Have you tried B52s?

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TheElementsSong · 09/12/2018 20:57

Zombie thread bumped by loving mother to specifically attack the Remain campaign for destroying families, with specific reference to Nazis.

Nice collection of dog-whistles.

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Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 09/12/2018 21:01

Do you know what??

I haven't

But it looks lush

I had a cocktail the other day that was 3/4 kahula and 1/4 rum chata, that was nice

And on holiday we had a fireball which was drambuie, grand marnier and cointreau that was awesome

And an eskimo baby...which got a bit embarrassing as we kept going back to the same bar so i could have my daily fix and dh kept saying the the barman that he would like an eskimo kiss...not the same thing at all!!

Ive only got a little bit of baileys left but ill try a b52 tomorrow

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Buteo · 09/12/2018 21:05

TheElementsSong Funny that hey?

Still waiting for a condemnation of the Leave campaign xenophobia.

Won’t hold my breath ...

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girlglo · 09/12/2018 21:17

On the last two comments - I don't understand the second one, but both comments just appear to be an attack and a misplaced inference of racism. A taunting really that I am experiencing as an attempt to silence me and to let others know how they will be treated and thought of if they want to discuss or contribute to this discussion. Like the poster, heartbreak over family breakdown is what brought me, late night, to find this discussion which turned out to be on a family concerned website - appropriate I think. That it stood alone in the search that I made of the internet as tackling this legitimate topic is sad, but perhaps not surprising. Still, I hope that my contribution is taken on its own terms by some. It was certainly a relief to acknowledge the breakdown in my family to other people. I don't expect others to contribute or to acknowledge my contribution to this discussion - infact as a mum. I would probably advise them not to (bit too risky ). Thank you mumsnet though, for providing an opportunity for some small relief to a heartbroken mum who really has nowhere to discuss this and still feels unable to talk to anyone about it because soes not want people/family to think badly of her children because she loves them and they are good people.

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Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 09/12/2018 21:21

Which last two posts girlglo

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Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 09/12/2018 21:22

Why on earth would anyone think badly of your children

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Talkinpeece · 09/12/2018 21:28

English people know how to use the return key

I like dry Martini

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Buteo · 09/12/2018 21:28

Still no condemnation of the Leave racist dog whistles then?

Or it’s just the Remain fascists that concern you?

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Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 09/12/2018 21:29

Nice and classy there talkin

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