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Never thought much of its editor. Love Dacre on the Daily Mail.

Thank you, Mitzy for making me laugh out loud at the end of such a hideous week

Loving the idea that figures such as Johnson and IDS are "anti-establishment".

Wonderful satire. Oh wait, it isn't.

Are people really going to vote according to how a newspaper tells them? Really? Do people not have minds of their own

It's pretty clear the OP is the editor of the Daily Fail.

Disgusting hate rag read by racist, sexist thugs to whip them into a frenzy of hatred to fuel the demands of a white, ageing, male elite with no morals or standards, just a bottom line where a heart should be.

Are people really going to vote according to how a newspaper tells them? Really?

Yes, sadly - "its the Sun wot won it".

Sometimes you read threads and you wonder what goes on in other people's heads.

Then there's this thread!

The Mail at its worst...

Zac Goldsmith: ‘Inappropriate’ Of Mail On Sunday To Use 7/7 Bus Photo Alongside My Sadiq-Bashing Article

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/zac-goldsmith_uk_57288c3de4b05c31e570f525

Why there was nothing 'human' about Jan Moir's column on the death of Stephen Gately

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2009/oct/16/stephen-gately-jan-moir

God, I'd forgotten about that hideous pile of shit written about Gately. Its disgusting.
If that paper and thinking is 'of the people', I think you should herd all those people into one part of the island, cut it off and let it float away.

Paul Dacre is absolutely one of the privileged elite, and a hypocritical one at that given his own use of EU funds. He's undeniably made his paper very successful and popular. That is quite different from being a 'man of the people' in my book. What his paper does is designed to keep the system in its place, not challenge it: it says to the middle classes 'blame the working classes for all the things wrong with the country!' Instead of encouraging them to challenge the rich elite (the group Dacre himself belongs to) to make the system better - which obviously they don't want to do, as it would mean less money and privilege for them.

The Mail is always having a go at Blair, bankers and luvvies.

The Mail is also not very keen on Cameron and the team

Tbh, Dacre and all the other very obviously 'metropolutian elite' types (see Farage, Johnson etc) have pulled off a blinder in convincing people that they are the ones who'll stand for the ordinary people against their own interests those nasty 'metropolitan elites' and 'establishment figures'.

I'm pretty sure that the public derision aimed at media studies as a disciplinary area is directly related to an agenda that really doesn't want a population of people generally equipped to think critically about the media and what they encounter in it. It seems to me that these are actually basic skills everyone in society actually needs not some frivolous nonsense to be sneered at.

StepAwayFromTheThesaurus, I think you have a good point about media studies. I think critical analysis is very important, which is why I like the Mail. I don't know much about media studies, but my guess is that the opposition to it from conservative circles is often based on the fact that they think it is left wing biased i.e. that there is probably not a lot of critical analysis or criticism of how and what the Guardian and BBC report.

Critical thinking and the mail? Bloody hell. Whinging about immigrants and complaining about everything else is an entirely different meaning of 'critical' to the one in 'critical thinking'.

Critical thinking is a general skill, aided by general knowledge of his the media work, that you'd be able to apply to any part of the media. There's no inherent political bias in critical thinking.

Sadly, as your post above illustrates, actual critical thinking skills about the media appear to be far thinner on the ground than they should be.

Can you link me to any media studies analysis of propaganda in the Guardian?

Also you are supposed to do the critical thinking not rely on the DM to do it for you.

Nor, for example, are you supposed to simply rely on someone else analysing the guardian for you.

Media studies should equip people to look at what they see in the media critically and analyse if for themselves.

I agree that is good and to some extent that is what we all do when we read papers, but we do also broaden our perspectives based on what good journalists say.

That is why it is useful to read good Mail journalists such as Peter Hitchens as well as the not so good and more Guardian style ones such as Dan Hodges, who now writes for the Mail.

There's loads of academic work that analyses the guardian and how it covers things (and for what purposes).

Have a look on google scholar but take off your DM provided 'anti-establishment' goggles first (and maybe try to find out about how those goggles actually work - and if they actually do what they claim they do).

No. We should question what all journalists say. Not take it at face value.

Sorry, I think Dan Hodges writes for the Mail on Sunday, not the Mail. My faith in Dacre has been restored and my doubts about Geordie have been increased.

'We should question what all journalists say'

We do, we don't agree with them all of the time. I like Hitchens and Heffers, but disagree with them on lots of points too.

The only thing the Mail does well is divide and conquer. To suggest there is any level of critical thinking or intellectualism to that paper is laughable.

I also like Ian Hislop's take on Paul Dacre;

“What I think will be embarrassing for the Mail’s Editor is the Mail is owned by the Rothermere family. What did your Dad do? The current Lord Rothermere’s father loved Great Britain so much he went to live in France as a tax exile.

"He then passed on the nom-dom status to his son who doesn’t actually pay the normal amount of tax despite owning a newspaper that’s owned through various tax companies in Bermuda.

“So once you start doing 'I’m looking at your family' it gets embarrassing and I think… the Rothermere family, if you want to go further back, we get to the great grandfather who ‘let’s join in together’ ran the headline ‘hoorah for the blackshirts'.”

www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/ian-hislop-lets-rip-daily-2339529

How any woman can be a fangirl for the repulsive woman-hater Dacre is beyond me. Get some self respect.

StepAwayFromTheThesaurus, thanks for that. I have never heard of Google Scholar but it looks like a good resource with real diverse views