UK set to get another 7 million immigrants

[BritBrit]

Latest report says the UK is set to get another 7 million immigrants if we stay in the EU. My question to remain supporters is what are your plans to cope with this.

-Will we ever be able to limit EU immigration whilst in the EU?

• What is the maximum population the country can cope with?

-Where will all the money come from for their benefits/NHS/schools/housing etc? -How can we plan public services if we have no idea how many people are coming into the country each year? -Where will we build housing as we are already the most crowded nation in the EU & building on our greenbelt?

www.express.co.uk/news/politics/679200/Time-leave-Britain-receive-seven-million-immigrants-2035-report-reveals

Perhaps from the taxes paid by the economic migrants? Migrants are less likely than UK nationals to claim benefits or use social housing.

^^ I also wonder if you realise that so many of your builders work for cash in hand and live in paid for week by week cash in hand lodgings.....I dont think you do. These type of migrants will probably not claim benefits, to be honest they have little knowledge of their rights full stop, however they are hardly paying into our system either.

And neither are uk born people on benefits who work cash in hand.
Or not at all without a good reason.

I would rather be treated by a migrant doctor with suitable qualifications than a native British person without qualifications who has been given the job because he is British.

^^ Can you imagine what planet are you on?

Eu migrants who come here with poor job prospects and don't find work don't have any right to claim benefits and get housing. It's just bloody bullshit that people like to believe
ah so these people must end up homeless in all the shanty towns that have sprung up>

Do people realise there is a huge black economy out there?

And neither are uk born people on benefits who work cash in hand

ah so because we have brits who work cash in hand, thats why we need ee to also join this cash in hand club?

I see well lets get more in then....its obv a type of worker we need?

Yes Iamnot - quite agree. And that is why people with poor job prospects often head to low cost localities. Those on the very lowest wages are often compelled to seek even more savings. We've had a couple of incidents here where EU workers are sharing bedrooms and using beds on a rota basis (these are shift workers). We also have had incidents of multiple families living in two-up two-down.

But none of this changes the fact that EU immigration has, and will, impact greatest on the poorer communities. This MUST be addressed.

We're beggining to experience issues between longer established EU migrants (mainly Polish) and newer incomes - Romanian and Bulgarian. I don't believe it is inherently racist in most instances, but an (albeit unpleasant) manifestation of economic anxiety.

I am not sure we should be "celebrating" so many professionals coming here either - esp. given that it's hardly because of over-capacity at home. Getting, for example, highly qualified doctors educated at the expense of their home country is, IMO, an example of EU failure (this applies more so to developing economies outside the EU).

The EU should increase funding for economic development within these countries.

But none of this changes the fact that EU immigration has, and will, impact greatest on the poorer communities. This MUST be addressed.

I agree that this needs to be addressed bit we don't need to exit the EU to address that. There are lots of inequalities throughout the UK and they are not all migration related. School funding for example: why do schools in the SE receive such a significant amount more funding per pupil than elsewhere on the country? London weighting allowance doesn't account for all of the difference.

My child's life has been saved on more than one occasion by the NHS and migrant workers have been involved in his care. I am grateful that we have had migrant NHS staff to make up the shortfall and therefore be able to treat my son in a timely and effective manner. At the other end of the scale I was also very grateful to the polish roofer who came and fixed my roof when I had been trying for weeks to get builders to do the job and kept getting let down because I didn't want a whole new roof.
As for migrant workers living many to a room / house: it happened in the 60's too during the windrush. It makes me quite sad to see anybody of any nationality having to live in such conditions.

To people who keep banging on about Britain is "just a small island, we've no room for any more" : does that mean that if we weren't an island but part of the continent we could just stretch out a bit round the edges to make more room?

yes we too have experienced excellent healthcare and other services from migrants but that doesn't mean we need an open door to immigration.

I am sure in places like US, Canada and Australia their citizens have received excellent health care from Uk citizens, and in other areas but they don't need an open door to UK migration do they.

I think the whole constitution of the EU needs revising, the bureaucracy has become far too unwieldy and over-encroaching. The UK is not the only nation unhappy with the way things are run.

There is a lot wrong with Europe today, but also a lot of things that are good. Freedom of movement is something that many people underestimate because they have never known anything else. Would you really want to give that up?

Hi BritBrit

To me there are two key issues in the referendum. One is the economy, and there is no doubt that the risk to the economy is greater if we leave. That is not to say the economy could not ultimately be stronger if we left, but that it is disingenuous to suggest that the risks are not greater.

The other issue is immigration and it is clear that leaving would provide us with the opportunity to control immigration to a far greater extent. However, it does not mean we will be able to realise that opportunity. So for example, we can already 'control' non-EU immigration yet spectacularly "fail" (failure only in terms that the Government's aim was to reduce it). Current immigration rates are 277,000 non-EU and 270,000 EU. We already have a Points Based System for non-EU nationals. We are to my knowledge the only country to try and use a PBS to reduce rather than increase immigration - and it has clearly failed. The leave campaign hold up the Australian system as the ideal but don't appear to understand that PBS has very little to do with their control of their borders. The PBS is aimed at individuals who wish to migrate and have no job. Any employer can, outside of the PBS, permanently or temporarily sponsor someone for their visa. Thus overall, the PBS accounts for 15% of all migrants entering Australia, and only 38% of those given permanent status. Australia have a big problem with overstayers as so many come on temporary work visas (mainly Brits, but of course we don't like acknowledging that we may be unwanted).

The reason Australia have total control of their borders is that ANYONE who is not an Australian must have a visa to enter the country. NZ citizens can apply on arrival but everyone must apply in advance. Now if the British Government want to go down that route that would enable control of our borders - but that is NOT what the leave campaign have stated would happen. And we would have to understand that if we did that, then it is most likely that all other countries would impose the same restrictions on us.

Which brings me onto the issue of British movements.

In addition to the non-EU and EU figures stated above, there were 87,000 British "immigrants" (I think many people don't understand that the net immigration figure of 330,00- includes leaving and returning British citizens - so in the early years of an exit, we may well not be able to keep immigration in the promised "tens of thousands" unless we deny entry to our own citizens).

So, whilst immigration is not the most important issue to me, I think it really important for those to whom it is the biggest issue to understand that immigration is a complex issue and there is absolutely no guarantee that leaving will enable it to be reduced. And I haven't even touched on the fact that entry to the single market - if we decide we want to retain it - will almost certainly demand continued free movement of EU nationals.

This is an interesting paper on the Australian system and its suitability to the UK. I should point out that Migration Watch are an anti-immigration think tank - so this is not the Remain Camp trying to 'poo-poo" the Leave Campaign's claims.

I wonder if people in big uk cities are also willing to put restrictions on newcomers from other cities.
Or if the government should reassure people and devise a method to predict how many will move and prepare overstretched services for their arrival.

Iamnot I agree that EU immigration is a different issue from the EU vote. But I am not sure we would have been facing this vote, or it would be so close, if the immigration concerns of those leaning towards "Leave" were engaged with properly. People feel unheard and powerless - vote Leave - however misguided we might think it is - might feel like exerting power.

The Government & LAs put a lot of effort into tracking and resource planning for internal migration Lweji. London is the main "drain" and it's a real problem for many other areas. And there are attempts to address this through redistribution of the population. People wanting social housing (regardless of nationality) for example, are increasingly being offered property far away from their LA. And this means moving away from networks of family and friends that the poorest rely upon so heavily. So what you suggest is happening on some level. The unfortunate thing is that it is being driven by free market economics rather than what is (to use a loaded word) "fair".

My main point again. We need a better mechanism for the redistribution of wealth - esp. towards communities with high levels of socio-economic deprivation markers and high levels of EU immigration.

Vote Leave is right: if we Leave, and insist on total border control, then we will have fewer immigrants.

But that will be because our country becomes far far poorer, and nobody wants to come here.

Is that REALLY what we want??

(some interesting EU/immigration facts here

"a total of 3.3million more EU migrants could come to Britain by 2035. " the low estimate in the newspaper article.

" estimated that a further 4.3million EU migrants can be expected." the high estimate in the newspaper article.

That is the figures they give when not including people from Turkey. Strangely, they are including people from Turkey as migrants in that other figure.

Taking the 3.3 million people by 2035, how many British people are going to live and work or retire in Spain and France etc. in that 20 years, so net different.

Actually, I'd prefer to see the source document before I'd take anything reported as true because there are so many lies and spin. Looking at their other articles (Express is not a paper I am familiar with), I would take anything reported in it with a grain of salt).

Anyway there won't be any extra money for anything if it is a vote Leave. The WTO, as reported on Andrew Neil, stated that extra tariffs would cost 9 billion per year. That is basically the EU membership fee estimate by Leave gone in a puff (AN again). Without anything back. It is not even zero sum as for every pound spent on membership, it is worth manifold back in business.

And there are attempts to address this through redistribution of the population. People wanting social housing (regardless of nationality) for example, are increasingly being offered property far away from their LA. And this means moving away from networks of family and friends that the poorest rely upon so heavily. So what you suggest is happening on some level.

Unfortunately the redistribution of population only makes things worse. Although they redistribute people they don't put extra funds into the areas where they are sending people which means that health, social care and education in those areas suffer and the people who have lived there for years get pissed off and blame immigrants. Many people being moved are actually British but people ignore that fact too often because it's easy to blame migrants instead of blaming central govt for not funding services adequately to cope with area population changes.

The country is struggling as it is.

Saying more can come is stupid. We cannot support our own people.

It's not xenophobic or racist it's logical

Here's a quote from David Cameron in 2010, during the election campaign:

David Cameron said in 2010:

'So this is our contract with you. I want you to read it and – if we win the election – use it to hold us to account. If we don't deliver our side of the bargain, vote us out in five years' time. Levels of immigration can return to where they were in the 1980s and 90s. Net migration to this country will be in the order of tens of thousands each year. No ifs. No buts. That's a promise.'

Britbrit - do you work for one of the campaigns? I only ask because every day you find another bit of news that you believe supports your case, then start a new thread with it. Anyway, in answer to your questions:

• No, would we want to?
• There is no such thing, but a scientific estimate on available natural resources suggested we passed it sometime before the second world war. Your question proves you don't understand how the world works.
• Immigrants are net contributors - so a better question is where is all of their money going now?
• We can make predictions on how many we expect - same way we can make predictions on the number of people joining schools, running a mile in under 4 minutes, how long after the warranty a dishwasher will break down. Again, shows a lack of understanding on how the world works.
• In the North West of England alone there is £12bn of empty housing. We have schools sat empty in Liverpool. We have spare capacity (in terms of space) in the NHS north west region. the physical capacity exists.

Royal family. Load of foreigners sponging off the taxpayers.

Immigrants are net contributors - so a better question is where is all of their money going now.

Paying down national debt. Not, in itself, a bad thing. But it is bad when LAs are not properly resourced at the same time.

In the North West of England alone there is £12bn of empty housing.

There is housing stock and housing stock. A lot of this stock in the North East built late c19th and early c20th (especially terraces) need serious renovation or tearing down and rebuilding (the EU has funded quite a bit of the latter). Nobody wants to live in it because it's crap and damp and costs a fortune in utility bills. Quite a lot of this stock has fallen into the hands of ££££ property portfolio holders over the last 30 years who uphold the barest minimum standards and simply see it as a cash cow.

The country is struggling because services are being cut out of kilter with tax receipts, while at the same time perversely cutting services and giving rich people tax breaks.

So many sheeple bought into austerity, scroungers vs grafters, 'need to look after' our own crap but don't see this is all artificial.

Yes BreakingDad77 it still astounds me that we bought into the current austerity policy. Or, we got the Government/policies we deserve when so many don't turn out to vote.

There is a good post on internal migration elsewhere Lweji. Making the point that LAs with no capacity are bidding on the leases of property portfolios miles away from the area. So, yeah, once again, people are not only being turned away from some localities they are actually being removed. Of course you'll only experience this if you're poor.