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Brexit

The kind of people that would vote to leave are also the kind of people who will not bother to vote.

37 replies

penisbeakerlaminateflooringetc · 31/05/2016 16:35

True or false?

OP posts:
juneau · 31/05/2016 22:27

Should we start with misshapen vegetables, or less powerful vacuum cleaners? Hmmm, let me think ...

RedToothBrush · 01/06/2016 08:30

False.

Quite the opposite.
Apathy will hit the status quo.

NotCitrus · 01/06/2016 09:44

Juneau - just checking that you are joking? For those unaware, the EU has done neither of those. They do require vacuum cleaners to meet certain energy efficiency standards if the public sector is going to buy them (cos we all like our govts not to waste money on electricity), which meant certain companies just sold less powerful hoovers and blamed it on the EU.
The vegetables one was similar - debate over defining standards of veg getting misrepresented in the press.

Not saying all EU regulations have worked as intended, but on the whole there's a lot less EU gone mad than the Daily Mail suggests. (see also health'n'safety gorn mad...)

juneau · 01/06/2016 10:58

I'm half joking. The EU has overloaded us with rules and regulations on everything - some of it entirely reasonable and some less so. I'd much rather the UK made its own rules though.

Pangurban1 · 01/06/2016 11:17

People don't vote because their veg isn't class 1 or grade A and the supermarkets won't put misshapen veg on sale. I don't this this could be true.

There was a Hugh FW programme about wonky veg. The supermarkets don't really want to put misshapen veg on display because they say it doesn't sell as well as cosmetically perfect ones. Of course they can, but choose not to do so. Also the growers, were in thrall to the supermarket demands and orders given or cancelled at very short notice. I seem to remember that misshapen veg was not accepted by the supermarkets from the farms.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-34647454

www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/nov/09/hugh-fearnley-whittingstall-rejects-morissons-pathetic-wonky-veg-trial

The wonkiness only affects classification wrt the EU. They are not banned. It is some supermarkets who won't accept them for sale. They say the public won't buy them.

"Other large supermarkets such as Sainsbury’s and Waitrose have relaxed their specifications to sell some ugly and imperfect produce, but this is the first initiative to clearly identify and separate them from the mainstream alternative."

www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2015/jan/01/jamie-oliver-leads-drive-to-buy-misshapen-fruit-and-vegetables

This is an important issue wrt food waste. I would would certainly buy wonky veg if the supermarkets put them on sale for less. They are just not putting them on sale at all.

Good that people are concerned about this though and will maybe pick out the wonky ones in preference to the cosmetically perfect ones to send a different message to the supermarkets.

NotCitrus · 01/06/2016 16:14

Thing is, if the UK made its own rules on all the things that are pretty niche, that's one heck of a lot of expertise we'd have to pay for ourselves rather than contributing to the EU to do so. How much are people really willing to pay for the opportunity to have different limits on contamination in food or air or water, or different requirements on food labels, or standards of car seat safety or electrics? It's nnotable thatScottish and Welsh legislation is uusuallya copy of the English one on matters over which the EU can legislate. We have 73 MEPs out of 500ish to ensure nothing too daft is voted through after long negotiations with the Commission (many of which staff are from the UK). Some matters need more local decisions but most of what the EU addresses is similar anywhere - no need to duplicate!

NotCitrus · 01/06/2016 16:24

Most wonky veg get used to make soup and ready meals - one problem is while the public say they are happy to buy strange shaped veg, when it comes to putting their money where their mouth is, they will ignore say the last wierd-looking carrots and buy a different vegetable instead. Lidl and Aldi buy the extra large and small veggies to pack up, and surpluses from other supermarkets that won't sell within their timescale (why Lidl veg goes off quicker - it's already been around thee packing plants once).

There's a depressing case study where corn on the cob didntnsell well. Then the farmers invested in tech to shuck and wrap them in cellophane - and they all sell at 3 times the price despite everyone complaining about the waste of packaging...

lavenderdoilly · 01/06/2016 16:35

False. I'm for Remain but I don't think Brexit supporters are normally non - voters. And most of the Brexit supporters I know are intelligent, well educated people who think it's a positive step that is worth the risk. I don't agree.

littledrummergirl · 01/06/2016 22:19

I know older people who voted Tory at the last election for the first time ever because they promised this referendum.
They will be voting out.
They are not planning to vote Tory at the next general election.

TJEckleburg · 02/06/2016 08:36

Depressingly, having spoken to lots of people on their doorsteps about the referendum, many are saying they will leave because of stuff like the EU banning our kettles. And they refuse to accept the facts that we would have to pass most of the EU standards legislation ourselves if we didn't accept EU laws, and that the "brussels beurocracy" actually saves is a fortune, as prior to the EU we had 28 different beurocracies all passing very similar standards. farage and his ilk have very successfully managed to frame what is really a huge efficency of EU government as us being "told what to do by Europe" and it worries me that people are stupid enough to believe it.

alltouchedout · 02/06/2016 08:40

Judging by the sheer outrage and confusion among friends of a friend on Facebook recently, when one of them finally realised that to vote one had to register to vote, not that short of the mark there OP.

lavenderdoilly · 02/06/2016 12:17

Maybe the friends of friends need to know it is illegal not to be on the electoral register. And it'll screw you for getting any kind of credit if you are not on the electoral register.

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