if the result is opposite to your vote, will you consider leaving the country?

[IamAnIAMSgirl]

I am getting quite freaked out by the unknown consequences of the EU Referendum, whatever the outcome.

I was just wondering if any of you are considering moving to a different country to escape it completely?!

DH and I would want to move to mainland Europe if Brexit as we wish to remain within the EU. We would have no right to do so however and I am terrified of being trapped here :(

It's not really about is though is it. It's about our children. I'm no longer marketable enough to get decent work outside the uk, but I expect to be encouraging our two children (16 and 19) to leave after university if there is a brexit, to somewhere with better opportunities.

People worked, lived, travelled and studied around Europe long before we joined the EU. And they'll be able to do so after a Brexit, just as people move to other countries around the world. No, it won't be an automatic right, there will be more admin, but the main thing for me in this referendum is democracy and I think that's a small price to pay.

the main thing for me in this referendum is democracy and I think that's a small price to pay.

Please could you be very specific as I'm still undecided. What would be the gain in democracy and what small price would we pay for it?

The EU, with a directly elected parliament (via a proportional representation vote not FPTP) , a council of ministers made up of directly elected people and a commission whose proposals need to be passed by the directly elected MEP's is far more democratic than the UK, where the vast majority of people live in non swing seats and so will never see their vote really influencing the results, where we have an unelected House of Lords, with representatives from a religion which less than half the country practice, and a head of state who is there purely by virtue of birth.

If we vote leave I will be trying to get my Irish passport. And Once the kids have left school in 6 years dh and I will possibly look to retire to Canada. I'm not sure I could continue to live in a country where the majority of my fellow citizens think Nigel Farage is a decent bloke.

Very few people would actually leave. I find people have a long list of all the things that will happen after a vote in either direction. Half of those fears will most likely not materialise.

It costs a lot to emigrate, unless you leave everything behind, it is not an easy option. Inside Europe would be less, but those thinking they could just pop off to Australia or New Zealand would be shocked at the physical and emotional cost of permanently relocating a family.

I will be bitterly disappointed if the result is not what I am hoping for.

On Friday I will get over it and get on with my life. I love this country.

Maybe all those planning to escape could club together and buy an island. It would be an interesting experiment to see how long a community made up entirely of exaggerating overreacters could survive.

Milly

We might, but not just because the vote was brexit, iyswim. We have been talking about it for a while anyway, brexit would make it more likely we left if DHs job started looking insecure, and if looked likely that there would be 10+yrs of recession... That's my kids entire childhood. Why would we stay for them to grow up in such grim times? I worry about a resurgence in extreme right wing culture and racism. I don't want them emersed in that.

Myself and kids have citizenship elsewhere so would be easier for us to go than others but I would be sad about it. We have good friends in the UK.

A bit like whirlwind this is something that we have talked about. DH is frequently offered relocation packages by his work who have offices all round the world. We have turned them down up to now as we like living in this country. Brexit would probably tip us over into accepting one.

We are planning to emigrate to Canada before the oldest starts secondary school anyway (so within 6 years), but there is some leeway with our time frame depending on how much we can save etc. If Brexit happens we will do our best to make sure that timeline doesn't increase, and save like made to try make it happen sooner because once everything was negotiated and dissolved, it's highly likely there would be issues in my husbands industry potentially leading to unemployment.

Maybe all those planning to escape could club together and buy an island. It would be an interesting experiment to see how long a community made up entirely of exaggerating overreacters could survive.

LOL Milly. Best and most accurate post on here

So your plan is that you'll go and become an immigrant in another country in order to avoid living in a country that is attracting immigrants? Is the irony entirely lost on you?

why is that ironic? We never ever needed millions of poor lows skilled workers here.

Emigrating to a country that has good quality entry system is a responsible country that wants the best/needed new comers in to help the country and not cause issues inside it. Its the sort of responsible government I would like to live under. Once I was in that country with my particular set of skills, the government systems would then protect my job.

This is actually what government is for. I know we have lost sight of that in the UK.

I agree winter I think people have been thrown crumbs and think they are getting a feast, brought off.

"Once I was in that country with my particular set of skills" - who the fuck are you - Liam Neeson?

Ha Milly! Exactly what I was thinking. I bet pretty much 100% of the labour voters on MN who were saying they would leave during the last election if the Tories got in again are still here.

Once I was in that country with my particular set of skills, the government systems would then protect my job.

You cannot roll up to a country and say I have X, Y and Z skills and start applying for jobs. If you have no family ties to a country, you will have no right to work there period. You and your potential employer would have to prove that no citizen can do or wants to do the job you are applying for. Most employers are not going to bother with that, plus they usually have to cover the 1000's it costs for visas and paperwork. Even if you do have specialist skills, most specialist skills jobs are temporary contracts. DH has had many contracts abroad. Part of his contract was to train locals.

It us a possibility yes. I believe that going out the EU will start a downward spiral and it won't be nice.
We will also both apply for each other citizenship. DH will take mine and I will take his (dual citizenship ok).

There is no need to leave the country if we leave the EU!

Apologies for the length of this. It is from Chris Baird. I think it is reassuring for anyone wary or confused about Brexit .... please see the note at the end before jumping in and trashing it!

"Seems to be a lot of misunderstanding about June 23rd, and people want to know the facts. Here are some:

You are not voting to leave the EEA or WTO, meaning all of the UK's trade and benefit agreements will remain unchanged should we leave, until such a time that the UK decides to renegotiate them for any reason.

You are not voting to leave NATO, meaning our security agreements remain unchanged. Should we receive an act of hostility from a non-NATO member, then NATO countries are obliged to come to our assistance. This does not change.

You are not voting to leave the UN, G8 or G20, meaning Britain will have the same voice on the world stage as it does today.

You are not voting to leave Europe!! The UK will still, geographically, be part of Europe. Non political organisations aligned to Europe will still extend membership to the UK (I.e. sports governing bodies, and so on).

You are not voting to stop recognising Interpol, Europol and neither are you voting for SIS / MI6 to stop dealing with other intelligence services in the fight against terrorism and global, organised crime.

You are not voting against being able to travel to Europe, contrary to the belief of some fools recently on TV. The UK has always maintained stricter border and passport controls than many EU members. This will not change. You will still use a passport to go on holiday and you will still be allowed entry to countries in Europe. You may even get chance to skip queues by using the non--EU queues at the airport (the only point so far that is my opinion, and not necessarily a fact).

The UK economy will benefit to the tune of £billions in the first year after we leave.

Medical and science research will not simply stop. The UK pays into the EU to then get money back in the form of funding. The UK will now be in control of this money and can choose to fund whatever UK based medical, science, art or other research it chooses.

Farming will not lose money because of EU funding being cut. The UK negotiated a rebate of some monies that the UK pays to the EU, in order to subsidise UK farmers. Instead of asking for our money back, we can give it straight to farmers. No change there.

You are not voting against human rights. The EU Convention on, and European Court of Human Rights are not part of the EU. Until parliament passes a new bill of rights for the UK, these will still apply, as will precedents already passed down to UK courts from Brussels.

You are not voting to kick anyone out of the UK or block access to anyone. Neither are you voting to stop recruiting valuable European workers into things like the NHS. Like my other point about passports for travel, the UK is already outside of the Schengen zone and so migrant workers must enter the UK with a valid passport before and after June 23rd. That will not change. British borders maintain full control of who comes and goes. Should someone have the skills to apply to work in the NHS, then they will still be permitted travel and given an opportunity to apply for a job. Worst case, points based assessment, like the US, Canada and Australia use, will come into effect. The UK is likely to negotiate freedom of labour movement though, in exchange for freedom of goods movement.

You are not voting to move jobs nor production out of the UK! The EU actually helped fund the move of Ford Transit production from the UK to Turkey... Yes, the EU helped give UK jobs to people in Turkey by giving Ford a loan of £80m with very generous terms!

What you are voting for is UK sovereignty. You are voting to stay in or leave a political union of leaders and representatives that you British people did not elect. You are voting against a commission of unelected, elite men that nobody at all voted for and yet they make decisions on our behalf. You are simply voting to bring sovereignty back to Westminster, and that is all. If you worry about that because you don't like the Conservative government, look at the reality. Their majority in parliament is very slim. They have been blocked on big decisions already. You are therefore not giving sovereignty to David Cameron, but to the UK House of elected representatives. Do not be fooled by the fear campaigns that are simply run by the wealthy, who need EU money to thrive! Think about the future, and your family's future."

The link to Chris's page is below. There is an update with even more detail if you scroll down. Please look at it before jumping in with niggles about the detail relating to EEA etc.

www.facebook.com/chris.baird.1654

Surprising. Such a long post for what is, essentially, a half true (at best) massive over-simplification.

Milly I agree with your post.
And I agree with relocating. However, I'm not sure if the 'cost' of relocating will be so high for me if it means leaving a country that I don't feel welcome to anymore.

But yes there will only be a handful of people actually doing it.

toad that's a lot of bollocks, full of hand truth and playing on words (eg: we are not going to leave Europe that's where we belong geographically). Talk about a way to muddy the waters even more....,

How are you all feeling now?

'Commission of unelected elite men' rings a bit false now hey, Chris Baird!

On the 24th I seriously went through our options. There aren't many and kids in school and a mortgage holds us here I think. I am a remainer obviously. I am scared. I feel like we're in some big reality show.

I do love it when the people who bang on about a points based immigration service being great lack the self awareness to apply it to themselves.

I doubt it's possible to have a sensible discussion about brexit on here because the vast majority of posters are pissed off remainers who want to go over the result again and again whilst the brexiters are busy getting on with their lives whilst noticing that the sky is still intact and hasn't in fact caved in.