306 business figures back Vote Leave in letter to Telegraph

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306 business figures are supporting Vote Leave in a letter to the Telegraph.

Britain’s competitiveness is undermined by a failing EU

"It is business – not government – which generates wealth for the Treasury and jobs for our communities. Outside the EU, British business will be free to grow faster, expand into new markets and create more jobs. It’s time to vote leave and take back control."

So Oxford University? UCL? The LSE? HSBC? The IEA? The Economist?

Can you quote anyone trustworthy and sensible who backs your free trade with europe with none of the costs?

Oh dear, you just have you and Spring and partisans don't you.

Oh dear.

Re: BoE, IMF etc - “wrong then, wrong now” is shooting the messenger rather than the message diverting important arguments about factual issues. By that token why on earth should voters listen to Brexit supporters with apparent credibility as economic policymakers – a group which includes Nigel Lawson & Norman Lamont, former chancellors, as well as Melvyn King who were mostly on the wrong side of the ERM/EU currency debate when it mattered most.

Well said.

Iain Duncan Smith: 'Mark Carney has breached his obligations'

Another case of shooting the messenger. IDS said Carney may have breached his obligations but the BoE has the legal obligation to publish reports outlining how it intends to keep inflation on target. Risks need to be outlined as part of these reports. IDS says Carney had strayed into "simple, personal, prediction" but Carney was summarising the contents of the report signed off by the Monetary Policy Committee.

So Oxford University? UCL? The LSE? HSBC? The IEA? The Economist?

Oxford University - participant in EU's £80million Horizon 2020 project

ec.europa.eu/programmes/horizon2020/

UCL
Another participant in the EU's Horizon 2020 project
UCL has participated in over 650 EU Seventh Framework Programme (FP7) projects, has been awarded over 100 prestigious European Research Council grants and is consistently ranked amongst the top 5 university participants in EU collaborative research worldwide (#1 in the UK)
Building on UCL's significant success in previous EU Framework Programmes, ERIO is now implementing a strategy in which ERIO enables UCL to become the global leader in the coordination of EU research and innovation projects funded under the Horizon 2020 programme. This strategy requires:

The successful continuation of ERIO's European Project Management service, which is currently managing a €148 million portfolio of 26 European collaborative projects funded under FP7 and Horizon 2020.

The LSE has the European Institute - Jean Monnet Centre of Excellence. Ot has a helpful brochure in which it states " Governance in the European Union is constantly in flux: powers are transferred from their member states to EU institutions..."
lsedesignunit.com/LSE_European_Institute/LSEEuropeanInstitute2015/index.html?r=92

HSBC
Doesn't produce EU-funded academic reports and isn't worried about Brexit. It's actions belie its project fear-mongering

www.ibtimes.co.uk/hsbc-commits-10bn-loans-smes-despite-brexit-uncertainty-1555352

The IEA
The organisation states that it is entirely funded by "voluntary donations from individuals, companies and foundations who want to support its work, plus income from book sales and conferences." ] It is "independent of any political party or group

The IEA revealed the extent of the EU's sock-puppeting
www.iea.org.uk/publications/research/euro-puppets-the-european-commission%E2%80%99s-remaking-of-civil-society

and the IEA warns households of devastating costs of staying in the EU that out-Osborne Osborne

www.iea.org.uk/in-the-media/press-release/eu-policies-threaten-to-cost-britain-%C2%A39265-household

The Economist

50% owned by the British branch of the Rothschild family and by the Agnelli family through its holding company Exor.

You need to stop being so trusting and look behind the names and the headlines -he who pays the piper usually calls the tune

Re: BoE, IMF etc - “wrong then, wrong now” is shooting the messenger rather than the message diverting important arguments about factual issues.

No it's not - it's reminding people that these organsiations are pro-Euro / pro-EU and have got things very wrong in the past.

By that token why on earth should voters listen to Brexit supporters with apparent credibility as economic policymakers – a group which includes Nigel Lawson & Norman Lamont, former chancellors, as well as Melvyn King who were mostly on the wrong side of the ERM/EU currency debate when it mattered mos

Wrong.

We chased the ERM and finally had the good sense to give up. That (White Wednesday) should be a day of celebration as it opened our eyes to the folly of the Euro experiment and ensured we didn't join it.

It's the "former" whatevers who tell the truth as they have nothing at stake.
Everybody who has ever worked in public service knows that.

"You need to stop being so trusting and look behind the names and the headlines -he who pays the piper usually calls the tune"

Oh yes? Murdoch, Barclays, Desmond, Rothemere?

The other stuff, straws you're clutching at there, £80m is peanuts to Oxford, The LSE bodies that do the reports on the EU recieve less than 5% of their funding from it.

Null and void dear boy.

"You need to stop being so trusting and look behind the names and the headlines -he who pays the piper usually calls the tune"

Oh yes? Murdoch, Barclays, Desmond, Rothemere?

Last time I looked at the Electoral Commission list of LEAVE campaign donors none of the above were mentioned.

The other stuff, straws you're clutching at there, £80m is peanuts to Oxford, The LSE bodies that do the reports on the EU recieve less than 5% of their funding from it.

In for a penny in for a pound. Tainted.

Anyway - why is the EU sloshing around UK taxpayers money in a sad attempt to legitimise itself. Our money that we should be using on far worthier purposes than churning our self-glorifying reports and constant cliques of EU-fanatic academics.

Null and void dear boy.

You presume to know my sex Lol Your crystal ball must be turbo-charged tonight.

"Last time I looked at the Electoral Commission list of LEAVE campaign donors none of the above were mentioned. "

Neither are any of the organisations that you keep shouting about vested interest for remain.

But to suggest that they don't have a vested interest is incorrect.

"in for a penny in for a pound" means nothing, you say the same about the BBC whose latest EU funding over 3 years contributes to 0.05 % of their budget. Don't let the facts get in the way of your argument though eh?

Pretty much like that bus touring the country with £350m on the side, totally wrong.

www.byline.com/column/11/article/1046

Wouldn't put too much weight to that list of "leaders"

I did say yesterday that they weren't of the same magnitude.

Makes sense that (for instance) Oxford University would endorse what's best for Oxford Uni.

If universities (Oxford Uni, UCL), banks (HSBC), thinktanks (IEA), magazines (The Economist) and regulators (BoE), and their employees, don't benefit from Brexit.... who does benefit? Who are the winners? Is Brexit a maneuver to return England to being a nation of small shopkeepers?

who does benefit? Who are the winners?

the billionnaires funding the Brexit press and Leave campaign?

It is a little bit sad that Leave couldn't get together 300 serious business leaders for their letter, and had to enroll retirees and heads of dormant businesses

(I also like the guy who's the managing director of a hairdressing salon with net assets of £313. No offence to him, I'm sure he's lovely and clever. But not exactly a major business leader.)

But the small shop keepers, the BCC have said the majority of their members back remaining, as do the CBI.

It also isn't a "university stance" on anything, its research by academics at the University published by the University, so different from an official stance.

I am so fed up with all these declarations on both sides. Both camps have quite obviously pulled in favours making me dubious about the motives of anyone who offers support for either side.

Digby Jones was on radio today saying he's a reluctant Leave. At least he's a real business leader.

My nearest University has an official stance to Remain and is trying to rally all students to vote.

Neither are any of the organisations that you keep shouting about vested interest for remain.

They are. You need to look at each section of the Electoral Commission donor listings - they release them periodically.

Digby Jones was on radio today saying he's a reluctant Leave. At least he's a real business leader.

Because, just like Lord Owen who is also a reluctant LEAVE campaigner he understands that the EU cannot be reformed by us staying in.

I don't think Oxford university or any other donates politically. The register of interest doesn't cover favourable coverage provided in newspapers.

Digby jones is one business leader there were 200 other ftse leaders saying the opposite.

Q

"Correction: some studies conducted, during a specific timeframe, by publicly funded organisations whose donors include the EU, have, on their chosen narrow criteria decided that within a particular demographic of immigrants, some were a net drain on the taxpayers but that was offset by other migrants - which is quite remarkable as latest Government figures on Nu numbers suggest that immigration has been greatly underestimated and runs at thousands more than originally thought ."

Thank you springing.

Its hard to stomach such utter tripe sometimes it really is.

Some of my family are from Poland, and some have been affected by the driving down of wages, in areas, like - building, plumbing, handymen, odd jobs and so on. I have seen the Poles benefit and the others have to turn to do other things.
I dont need a paper, or a study to show or tell me this, I live and see it, and I see it all around me.

Its why when you get posters like Lurked come along who tell us - we have read this somewhere ( like they probably have) it makes ones blood pressure rise , on a small scale and of course this is very much the response of Labour too, which is why they lost the elecection, and its why people across the UK are very angry.

(I also like the guy who's the managing director of a hairdressing salon with net assets of £313. No offence to him, I'm sure he's lovely and clever. But not exactly a major business leader

arf, its small business people with few assets that we want to help - surely!

Springing thanks for the links to whose behind what up thread.

Exactly Step.

Remain is for the establishment and big business who prioritise money ahead of democracy and sovereignty.

Would we rather support British small and medium enterprises, or the largest multinationals who are constantly lobbying the EU to have things their way, at the expense of other firms?

But the BCC and the CBI both say smaller firms have voted in a majority to stay in?

50% owned by the British branch of the Rothschild family and by the Agnelli family through its holding company Exor.

I hold no brief for either family, but why is the mere mention of the Rothschilds in particular held up as evidence that something (in this case The Economist) is not to be trusted or lacks legitimacy?

I don't trust The Economist because whenever it writes about my area of work or specific situations I know something about through work, it is hopelessly inaccurate. If one extrapolates that across the magazine, which seems reasonable, then it is clearly an unmitigated bag of shite.