TTIP - The trade deal between the EU and the US, Should we heed the concerns?

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The TransAtlantic Trade and Investment Partnership is a trade deal that the EU is making with the US.

It's explained here:

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-30493297

It will affect us in the UK as we are EU members.

Here's some ways in which it may affect us:

www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/what-is-ttip-and-six-reasons-why-the-answer-should-scare-you-9779688.html

Many people throughout Europe have been protesting against TTIP for several years now

www.reuters.com/article/us-trade-protests-germany-idUSKBN0N90LO20150418

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36120560

Many groups in this country are concerned about TTIp. Greenpeace is worried about some of its potential affects

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36185746

Lord Owen who has spent his political career promoting the EU has said that we should leave the EU to avoid the damage that he feels will be caused to it by TTIP

www.theguardian.com/society/2016/apr/06/brexit-is-necessary-to-protect-nhs-from-ttip-says-david-owen

The Nobel prize-winning economist Stilglitz shares Lord Owen's concerns and also thinks we may be better off leaving the EU to avoid TTIP

www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/eu-referendum-joseph-stiglitz-ttip-labour-transatlantic-trade-investment-partnership-a6907806.html

So far, the Government has not exempted the NHS from TTIP.

www.theguardian.com/business/2016/mar/13/unite-says-government-is-reluctant-to-exempt-nhs-from-ttip

The Government is running out of time to exempt TTIP as Obama wants the deal sealed before his presidency end at the end of the year.

Cameron may yet decide to exempt the NHS from the TTIP closer to the EU referendum as a sweetener to get people to vote to remain in the EU. If he does so we will have to consider whether this is a promise he will actually keep if we vote to stay in, or whether he'll do what he did after the Scottish referendums - make promises than change his mind.

The only safe way to avoid TTIP is to LEAVE the EU.

Outside the EU, and no longer an EU member we escape TTIP.

And once we have left the EU to avoid TTIP there' no danger of Cameron negotiating another UK/US version of TTIP in the few years he has left running the Government as, according to Obama we in the UK will be at the back of the queue for any deal trade deals with the US.

So, I think the safest thing to do is to Leave the EU, escape TTIP and save our public services and NHS.

We can trade with other countries, don't have to rely on USA and I don't believe the trade deals with EU would be vastly different since they also trade from us too.

I think this referendum is going to go the same way as the Scottish one. No one knows exactly what will happen, can't trust the figures, can't trust anyone so you go with your gut. I bet the results will be very similar to the Scottish referendum.

But you have been repeatedly told, and European leaders have made it clear, that it would be vastly different.

Ignore. They need us more than we need them. They thought of the 5th largest economy in the world - the UK, leaving their club sand not sending them £millions a day, cares the,

Unless we accept things like freedom of movement and making large contributions to the EU, which most Brexiters seem to be objecting to.

Ignore. This is guesswork. Out of the EU we would not be making any payments to the EU. Other countries, at least 170 of them, manage to trade quite happily without being members of the EU. Iceland has even withdrawn its application to join the EU

Basically, you seem to be living in this Brexiters fantasy world that so many of the arguments seem to come from. I prefer the real world

Ignore. Nobody has a crystal ball. Nobody has ever had to make bi-latreral trade deals with the 5th largest economy in the world in recent years because the EU has prevented this. They will be queuing up to take advantage of the possibilities in our new UK trading market

Well I think its safe to say myself and Spring are Leave and you are Remain and just leave it there before it gets into a slanging match.

Whiskey2014

We have a lot of company. There are 168 countries in the world that are not in the EU, so by default are on the LEAVE side.

I can't wait to start trading with them when we've left the EU and are finally allowed to make our own trade deals

Yep, we'll all make fortunes trading with Mali and the Galapagos Islands..

You should go and find out. Take as long as you like.

Yep, we'll all make fortunes trading with Mali and the Galapagos Islands...

And quite a few of the other 166 countries that aren't in the EU

In the case of Mali and other developing countries - Trade is better than aid.

Trade grows their economies as well as our own.

Trade makes people in developing countries less likely to want to be economic migrants.

Trade deals are something the EU prevents us from negotiating with the rest of the world.

It's time to leave the EU, take back control of our trade and start making our own trade agreements with the world.

Iceland may have withdrawn its application but its part of the EEA and has freedom of movement.

THe other 170 countries don't have the EU as their largest trading partner so its an erroneous comparison,.

You constantly misuse information, our entire trade with the EU makes up about 15% of GDP, the EU's trade with the UK makes up 3%, hence they have the upper hand.

We might be the 5th largest economy in the world but with the US we would be trying to do a deal with the largest, and with the EU the largest market in the world with 10 economies in the top 30, and 3 of those in the top 10. They have the upper hand too.

Weirdly it may be the EU that saves us from TTIP, its been taking so long because the negotiations have been hampered by the EU mot giving in to EU demands, it seems that the French are going to veto the deal. Our own politicians including those Brexit leaders Gove and Johnson ( they of the atlantic bridge) would have signed it.

It's not about the economy. (although even the OECD admits that GDP would continue to grow on Brexit)

It's about sovereignty.

It's about self-determination.

Good piece in the FT, which I read the other day takes this "we are the 5th largest economy" point and takes it apart a bit.

www.ft.com/cms/s/0/f49b3502-113f-11e6-91da-096d89bd2173.html#axzz47oxRGSDx

But this thread Spring is about TTIP which is trade and is about the economy, you and other posters have said that we'd do fine outside the EU, the OECD said btw that we would have growth, but lower than we would in the EU at around £2,200 per capita by 2020 so you're being a bit misleading.

OECD said btw that we would have growth

That's good enough for me.

You really are brexit at all costs, fine for there to be a period of recession followed by low growth. Fine for all those effected by it.

Oh btw, you know you said about us being the US's biggest FD and that would give us leverageI? Guess who is ours?

You really are brexit at all costs

Yes. Brexit or die trying.

I am ready for the plague of rabid, web-footed hamsters that will emerge from our plug holes as soon as the result is declared.

I shall defeat them in the same way I dealt with the Y2K bug