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Ethical dilemmas

Modern morality tale? Or something more private?

45 replies

LauderSyme · 05/08/2013 19:10

I would be very interested to hear what you think of my story.
I grew up not knowing who my natural father was, believing that he never knew of my existence. I went to work at 16 and worked, more or less without pause until the age of 36, when I had my son. I am a single parent and chose not to return to work but to care for my child full-time. Since June 2010 I have claimed income from combined benefits of, currently, £18,936 per annum of which £10,920 directly pays rent in Greater London. I intend to return to work full-time when my son starts school in September 2014, and to continue working until at least 2040.
Early last year I was able to write to my father and introduce myself. I asked him to meet me; he did and we've had lunch together maybe ten times, twice with my son. In our first few meetings he told me that he met me as a baby and "did wonder" if I was his, and that my mother told his then-girlfriend T, that she thought I was his daughter. T is his wife of 37 years, B and W are their adult children.
Last week I received these text messages from him, "Perhaps it's time for some home truths. I would be happy for you to meet my family but they do not want to meet you. Here's a simple explanation why: both B and W are about to buy houses, they will pay a combined total of £21,500 in Stamp Duty. A good wheeze invented by the Labour Party to get the south of England to pay their constituent's taxes for them. That's real money paid by real people. Come back to me when you have got a job"...."Still £21,500 will keep you going for another year"...."You are not contributing and they are contributing the money that pays you the equivalent of the national average wage without the inconvenience of getting your arse out of bed in the morning. How do you expect them to see you? Get real."
I?d like to know what you make of it, morally or otherwise. Thank you.

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mamalovesmojitos · 17/12/2013 21:31

Wanker. Steer clear. Do not give him another SECOND of your time. The day I told my father to do one was the most liberating day of my life. Ill never soften and I suggest you don't either. Even if you get a job earning £100,000 pa. You don't need this persons approval. Move on.

jonicomelately · 17/12/2013 21:31

The reason why his children have reacted so badly to you is because they are terrified you will reduce their claim on their father's money when he dies. It's nothing to do with you claiming benefits. They are poisoning his mind against you because they are scared a two way split could become a three way split.

DoubleLifeIsALifeOfSorts · 17/12/2013 22:07

Err, he sounds a delight! He's got it all twisted up though with taxes and benefits etc. if you can be bothered is write back something addressing this.

What is the 'moral' of this though? I don't get what you mean by a modern morality story?

jonicomelately · 17/12/2013 23:22

Further to my previous comment could you also please point out that we Northerners also fucking pay our taxes.

JingleMyBells · 20/12/2013 13:28

Horrible thing to write. However, I do agree with the poster who said you "chose" to give up work. You aren't actually contributing anything at the moment yet have had over £60k from the state Hmm

MysterySpots · 20/12/2013 13:41

OP has contributed to the state for 20 years. I see no ethical dilemma. But OP you should never have anything to with this man again if you are sure that he wrote the text. I would call him and ask him if he could ec

MysterySpots · 20/12/2013 13:44

explain his stance further to you. If he denies all knowledge then it is likely that one of his other children wrote it. If he repeats it all then tell him you are considering retrospectively claiming Child support on behalf of your mother.

HECTheHeraldAngelsSing · 20/12/2013 13:48

If he actually wrote that, then he is a total bastard who doesn't deserve a place in your life. (If it was one of his kids or his partner, he needs to see it!)

Morally - he is lacking. And in courtesy. And compassion. And love, respect and kindness appear absent too.

I certainly hope you don't go back to him when you have a job.

mumofthemonsters808 · 20/12/2013 14:15

I'm not sure I've actually understood this correctly. So the reason his children do not want to meet you is because you are on benefits and they are buying properties and paying stamp duty. I'm too disgusted for words, do not contact him again, cut all contact. But when this twat dies contest the will and fight for your share (sounds very harsh but I'm angry on your behalf) even if you do not want any money, just upset the bloody applecart for the hell of it.
You have survived without this useless man and will continue to prosper without him.

SeptemberFlowers · 24/12/2013 18:09

What mum of the monsters said !

He sounds like a right turd and you're definately better off without him.

Flufflewuffle · 30/12/2013 15:28

So his kids don't want to meet you because you're a stay at home Mum? Good grief. Did you ask him for money when you met up with him? As you didn't mention it, I'm assuming not. If not, then why did his kids bring it up? Bizarre!

I'm assuming you're not working as you can't afford the high cost of childcare before your DS goes to school. I respect that you'll be going back to work once you can. I'm not sure I understand why this has become an excuse to not include you in the family, but it really does sound as if you've been better off without them for all these years.

Mary1972 · 30/12/2013 16:29

My 20 something just had to pay £10k on a tiny one bed flat in stamp duty and is very cross with all those people she sees housed by the council in better areas than she can afford who do not do a stroke of work. There is a lot of resentment towards benefits claimants particularly those of us who are single parents and have worked full time. However it is very strange that your own father would express those views. Most people would keep them to themselves. could you not have worked and saved enough money to keep you when you stopped work to have children as many people do?

GoodnessKnows · 16/02/2014 23:40

Well HE has turned out to be a huge disappointment, hasn't he! Horrible man to have such an attitude.

evergreentreehugger · 05/03/2014 13:59

Sounds like a family of Daily Mail readers

crazy88 · 17/03/2014 20:55

I think it sounds like you are a caring, responsible parent who knows her own mind and priorities, and I would not be lectured to by someone who has shirked his responsibilities towards his child. Whatever his personal political opinions, a parent should be a parent unconditionally. I don't think you need him in your life.

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UncleT · 15/05/2014 02:53

Taking him out of the equation, don't be surprised if people raise an eyebrow at the fact that you, by your very own words, 'chose' not to work. That's not the intended purpose of benefits.

Eminybob · 15/05/2014 05:02

OP I'm so sorry, that is a bloody horrible thing to have to hear, especially from your father. I don't understand his motives for sending you that if he is looking to build a relationship with you in the future. Personally I'd walk away now.

What annoys me most is the attitude that you are somehow cheating the system or being a scourge on society. You have paid 20 years of taxes before you had your DS and you plan to go back to work and pay another 20 odd years worth. He should be directing his anger at those who have chosen to never work for more dubious reasons than wanting to raise your son (which I don't think is dubious at all btw). Or better still, direct his anger at our systems which don't allow for affordable or subsidised childcare, making it financially impossible for mothers earning under a certain amount to go back to work.

For what it's worth, I have a baby on the way, and as I have a DP I won't be eligible for any tax credits or such like, and tbh as much as I'd like to stay at home I don't think I'll be able to financially. But that does not mean that I hold any resentment at all to you and if I were in your situation I would do the same.

UncleT · 15/05/2014 20:12

Eminy you are right that the OP should not be viewed as any sort of 'scourge' on society, and I certainly stop short of calling her that, particularly having paid taxes for years. However, I stick by the fact that living on benefits should not be an active 'choice' and that is the word she used.

Twowrongsdontmakearight · 01/08/2015 05:19

This thread is really old but, as always on MN I'd love to know the outcome!

Did you challenge the texts OP? Like others I think it sounded like his DC texting probably concerned about another claim on inheritance.

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