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How much do small classes really matter at primary level? Class of 30 vs 17 - will it make a big difference?

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chipmunkswhereareyou · 03/10/2008 09:37

What if your child needs extra help with something and they're in a class of 30?

If there's a classroom assistant plus the teacher, does the assistant spend time equally with all children or do they focus on the ones who need a lot of extra help?

(we're looking at two schools, one has a class size of 30 and the other a class size of 17....)

Obviously we're thinking about other issues too but this is the difference that stands out a lot.

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sunnydelight · 05/10/2008 07:04

In theory smaller classes should always be better but it doesn't always work that way. My experience is that the friendship thing/group dynamics seems to impact a lot in some small classes, sometimes enough to outweigh the "less kids = more teacher's time" benefit.

Having spent reception/Y1 in a class of 12, my very dyslexic DS2 is now doing better than ever before in a class of 30. I was initially amazed that the class was that big in a private school (it starts at under 20 in kindy, but can hit a max of 30 in Y3-Y6) but I guess it just shows that there is a lot more to it than just class numbers.

chipmunkswhereareyou · 05/10/2008 14:39

I have to say I would be as put off by a school with very small classes (under maybe 15 children I think), as I would by very large ones. I think it would be claustrophobic.

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AbbeyA · 05/10/2008 19:14

Ignore research, as a teacher I would say that small classes make all the difference. I taught 17 recently and I could meet all the needs, I can't meet the needs of 30 or more. You only have to do the arithmetic, an hour lesson and 30 DCs means each DC has 2 minutes, if the teacher is talking for the first 20 minutes and then a difficult DC takes more than their 2 mins they may end up with no personal attention.

SquiffyHock · 05/10/2008 19:20

I used to teach and would go for small classes every time. In a class of 30 you virtually have to timetable time with each child and some get far more attention than others.
DS is in a class of 30 but there are 2 classes which I think is ideal. They get the individual attention during class time but have a larger group to socialise with - his best friend is in the other class.

AbbeyA · 05/10/2008 19:26

I loved teaching the small class, I felt I really made a difference and we all had a lovely relationship. Marking was manageable.

blueshoes · 05/10/2008 20:46

I have heard that larger classes (20+) can be better for social dynamics. There is a better chance that your dc will find a social niche. And social development, is as important as academics, at primary level.

My dd is in a all-girls' school with 24 per class, 2 classes per year, which is mixed up each year. It is ethnically diverse, with a lot of children having 2 or even 3 languages at home. The girls seem to be getting along really well, with lots of all class parties and rapport amongst the girls and parents.

goldilocksandmylittlebear · 05/10/2008 21:02

I taught a class last year of 31 and they were lovely. Really good dynamic. I felt like I had lots of time with each of them and my TA felt the same.

This year we have 19 and I feel like I'm going mad!!! They just do not gell together!

It's the luck of the draw! Every class, private or state can have issues you would never think of!

Hulababy · 05/10/2008 21:13

I think small class sizes are beneficial on the whole. I think 12-18 are about ideal IME of teaching. I didn;t enjoy teaching classes of 30 that much.

goldilocksandmylittlebear · 05/10/2008 21:19

The trouble is you may only have 15 for example but if you have 1 with very very poor behaviour the whole class can really struggle. I'm not sure what the answer is!

Hulababy · 05/10/2008 21:51

IMO thought it is easier to deal with that one child in a small class than in a big class. If nothing else, more attention can be spent on that child whic generally can help matters.

AbbeyA · 05/10/2008 21:54

They can have a good social mix with other classes at break times.

ja9 · 05/10/2008 21:57

Only read op.

As a teacher i would say go for the small class size every time.

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