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Straw poll - what reading level is your year one child on?

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lisalisa · 14/02/2005 16:05

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TinyGang · 14/02/2005 19:29

Hmm, thanks Bee, I knew none of that. As Coddy says though, as long as they're progressing...

Tanzie · 14/02/2005 20:57

DD1 is in Year 1 and is on ORT Levels 12 & 13 (they mix them for some reason). But there is a huge range in her class, and as Coddy says, they all get there in the end and no-one asks later what stage they were on at age 7!

I started school with a reading age of 10 (according to my pushy mother) and I am really not very bright at all (must have peaked in Infants School!).

SecondhandRose · 14/02/2005 21:06

We're on Heinemann books and she's on the purple level.

tigermoth · 15/02/2005 09:19

I haven't got a clue what reading level my year one son is on. He is an August born boy, the youngest in his class. I am sure many of his classmates are reading more advanced books than him. DS is still taking home many of the books he had in reception - and still not reading them.

However, since Janary, I have seen progress. He is now getting the hang of phonics, sounding out letters to make words and can do simple word puzzles. I am sure he will get there in the end.

kizzie · 15/02/2005 10:14

My twins are yr 1 (spring birthday.)

One is on Stage 8 (ORT), the other is on stage 4. So a big difference but Im sure they'll both get there in the end and for me the most important thing is that they enjoy books.

Lisalisa - my little boy who is on stage 4 does get some extra help with his reading at school and this seems to happen for child on stage 4 or below in yr 1. There are 2 or 3 children in their class who are on stage 3 and one little boy is on stage 2. (I only know this because I go in to help with reading practice.)
Kizziex

unicorn · 15/02/2005 10:41

my dd is yr 1, and a really good reader... and she is on stage 4 of ORT...
(her pals at another school are on 7/8, and parents are always boasting)

DD'S school has a policy (questionable one I think) of not advancing them too far.

So whilst her reading average is 2b (ie the middle of year 2) she is still on basic ORT books.

Frankly I'm not too concerned as she has a wide variety of stuff at home.. at the moment she is reading the Horrid Henry books!!

I don't think comparisons of ORT Levels are very helpful, much better to see what your own child is capable of.

lisalisa · 15/02/2005 11:01

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tigermoth · 15/02/2005 11:16

lisalisa, you've set me thinking now. I wonder if it would be a good idea to keep my son down a year? However, he's very sociable and has made good friends in his present year, so I'm reluctant to mess that up for him. There's a parents meeting in a few weeks. I might run the idea by the teacher and see what she says. So far no one has told me he is falling behind in class. I can see he's making progress, too. I will read your other thread.

roisin · 15/02/2005 12:03

Many schools have literacy booster support sessions for exactly these children who are struggling a bit at this stage. When ds1 was in yr1 I listened to readers in the parallel yr1 class. Of the 10 'slowest' readers in that class at the time, I would say half of them (particularly the ones who were youngest in the class) 'caught up' by the end of yr2, achieved good SATs results, and some now are even 'top table' in yr3. Some of the others in this group have ongoing difficulties, some of them diagnosed SEN.

I guess what I am saying by this is, as a parent of a child in this position, I would be asking what the school were doing/were planning to do in terms of extra support/provision, but I wouldn't be considering re-sitting a year at this stage (unless there were major problems across the board).

IME good schools in this country are excellent at providing teaching suitable to a very wide range of abilities in a class, as this is the norm. And it is only when you have a very 'extreme' child at either end of the spectrum that changing years is appropriate.

doobydoo · 15/02/2005 22:00

Does your son enjoy the books he is reading?I think thats important.My ds is on level 6/7/8 depending.He likes the Biff and Chip ones and reads the level 8 ones of those at home.I was told by a parent that I could get my childs reading age.But tbh i haven't not sure i see the point as long as he enjoys it.He will read skateboarding books for ages and instructions for his Incredibles playstation game!I think the levels can be confusing.Do not worry..enjoy the reading.lol

doobydoo · 15/02/2005 22:01

Levels of the books..not the Incredibles game.Although...

AuntyQuated · 15/02/2005 22:06

imo - any Y1 child reading Ginn level 10 is readign books unsuitable for their age. they are enough to put anyone off for life

tigermoth · 16/02/2005 07:17

roisin, thanks so much for that information. Not having helped with reading in the classroom, I have no real idea things 'work' between year 1 and year 3. I am sure children learn at their own pace, but hearing of your experiences is extremely helpful. Thanks again. I will definitely ask the teacher about extra support, if she thinks ds needs it.

oxocube · 16/02/2005 07:33

lisalisa, my dd was 7 at end of October and is now on stage 10 ORT. This is her 2nd year in the same class as she was the youngest last year and was just not ready for the next year group. Her teachers were relieved that we agreed with them and didn't want to push her up a class when she wouldn't be happy and would always be the least able child trying to keep up with the others. She is really happy this year and is doing well in reading and writing. Have you discussed keeping your ds in the same class with his teachers? I'm really pleased we did!

roisin · 16/02/2005 08:06

Oxocube - is this in the UK?

kid · 16/02/2005 08:38

My DD just turned 6 in Jan and is on level 3 ORT.
I'm really pleased with her reading and don't really care what level others kids in her are on. I'm just pleased that she is reading!

oxocube · 16/02/2005 13:19

roisin, no, in Holland but at an international school. Why?

oxocube · 16/02/2005 13:28

Its quite a strange system here regarding the ages in each year group. There is no definite 'cut off' as in the U.K's 31 August which determines which group the child goes into. Roughly, the school say that the deciding birthdate is roughly from August to November. My dd's birthday is Oct 26 nad she was in a mixed group 1/2 class for the 1st year at school. Her teacher then made the decision to put her into the next group (3) at the end of the school year because she thought she was mature enough and bright enough to cope, despite being the youngest. Unfortunately, by Christmas, it became clear that she was not doing as well as the others in the class: basically, she was not mature enough to concentrate for long periods and was constantly tired. Rather than move her down again, the teachers thought it would be best to leave her in group and monitor her progress but with the assumption that she would almost certainly do group 3 again, which she did. I presume things are a bit different in U.K. For a start, we have no SATS or league tables

oxocube · 16/02/2005 13:29

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roisin · 16/02/2005 21:26

Oh that makes sense! Here beg of Sep is strict 'cut-off' so an Oct birthday child would already be one of the oldest in the yr, so to move down a yr they would be almost 2 yrs older than some children in the class. Also in the UK schools tend to be very inflexible about children moving years.

That's why it sounded unusual to me Oxocube, but I see your situation is more complex than that.

Tanzie · 16/02/2005 23:18

Oxocube - are you in an international school? We are, here in Belgium - Vlaaaaanderen, so Dutch speaking community, but Engels at school. I like the international feel, and wouldlike to continue if/when we go to UK (DDs have never lived in UK anyway and do not feel remotely British - although born there, they left at 5-6 weeks and are "European" at best.

TiredBunny · 16/02/2005 23:47

I am a primary school teacher and I have a year 1 class and most of mine are on stage 2 8 ORT but we have a special band system anD all the levels are mixed up.

TiredBunny · 16/02/2005 23:48

Stage 2 - Stage 8 ish

Catflap · 18/02/2005 16:29

Hi ladies ? although it?s always interesting to compare, the stage at which your child is at on the reading scheme is pretty much only an indicator of how well they can read that particular scheme? and to be honest, it may only be superficial ?reading? anyway, as the repetitive and predictive nature of the texts often hides the fact that the children can?t actually read them at all. All children are capable of learning to read, but these schemes really don?t do the best job ? in fact, it should be the teachers teaching the children to read and the supporting reading material just serving to reinforce and use the skills and knowledge they are aquiring.

If your child does seem lower down the stages than you would expect do be concerned. They will not necessarily catch up. The way it is taught in most schools these days, as it has for decades, means that not all children learn to read.

Most of the schemes mentioned here ? particularly Oxford Reading Tree and Ginn use whole word teaching methods. In ORT, the stories are predictable and the pictures provide lots of clues ? so the children can use this as a support to work out what the words mean. It is then assumed that by encountering these words enough times and by guessing correctly enough times, the words will stick as whole in their memories. It might look like the children are reading and the children might feel like they are, but it can often be quite hit and miss as to how much is really going in and sticking. Often, it doesn?t equip the children with enough skills to read outside the scheme. In Ginn, words are introduced at a painfully slow rate and with tons of repetition with the idea that, if a child meets words slowly enough and then often enough, they will stick. So, children have to remember words like ?where? before they can even read ?cat.?

These strategies are woefully inadequate. They are responsible for up to 25% of children failing to learn to read. Often, because they are looking like they can for so long, it goes undetected until later, by which time, too much damage is done and then they can be labelled as dyslexic.

Our language, although complicated, is quite logical and systematic. There are a bunch of sounds (about 45) in our spoken language and we use combinations of our 26 letters to represent these sounds. Children just need to learn to understand and discriminate these sounds; match the various spellings to them and then be able to recognise these words and blend the sounds to hear words. Then, they can really read ? anything. Not just a scheme book. They can become fluent; recognising whole words because they understand why they say that; not just relying on an unreliable memory or unpredictable guessing. Because they can then access the words fluently and independently, they can read with meaning and understanding, because their time isn?t taken up struggling to work out what the words are.

Of course, many children learn to read fine through these schemes ? so if your child is ?high up? it just means they are very good at making sense of all the chaos themselves.

You really need to be asking yourselves:

can my child identify the 40+ sounds of the language?
Can they recognise more than one spelling for each sound?
Can they blend the sounds all through a word to read it e.g. not just recognising what a word starts with.

This method of teaching reading is all in the news again ? you might have seen articles recently, or caught ?Newsnight? last Friday. Hopefully, the Government will do something about the appalling methods promoted in the National Literacy Strategy in light of all the recent research.

tigermoth · 18/02/2005 20:50

Very thought-provoking message catflap.

I must say instinctively I feel more reassured when my son sounds out a word letter by letter rather. I feel less reassured when he recognises a word repeated ad infinitum in a scheme book. But then I was taught letter sounds when I learned to read, so I guess that's what I am used to.

Showing my ignorance here, but I thought the literacy levels of children were rising though - is this not the case?