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School "Culture Day' - why didn't school see this coming?

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mids2019 · 16/07/2025 06:10

https://www.joe.co.uk/news/school-issues-statement-after-sending-girl-home-for-wearing-union-jack-dress-496690?fbclid=IwY2xjawLkEB9leHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHmXD4szLMfsqNubbE12kCn_Noe5jb2VGlNFVU0_IUIevHxzByCQ-5GXFN8F8_aem_P-q7I_yFCq82TY-Qr8mGdw

A local school state d a huge debate by sending a girl home on school culture day for wearing a union Jack dress. The question is why the school should have naively held an event which actually least a to more division than unity?

My daughter (white British) attended a similar event, for which she paid a pound, and dressed in jeans and t shirt. I asked how she had decided upon the attire and she stated 'well I don't have a culture'. I then had to explain that she did have a culture and even the jeans and t shirt were a product of fashion changes in western liberal society. We had a discussion about all the great products of white British culture, the music,science, results of the industrial revolution, shared experience in great wars, monarchy etc.

There is a white British culture but going into detail about this obviously brings into focus cultural divide and opens up divisive areas whether white British culture benefited from colonialism and past oppression.

Of course culture day probably was meant to highlight minority cultures and act to promote dress etc. from ethnic minorities as a welcoming inclusive gesture but by allowing all pupils to think about their culture we have to define 'white British' culture and by defining 'white British' culture schools have inadvertently started a discussion they didn't intend.

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maudelovesharold · 16/07/2025 09:24

Digdongdoo · 16/07/2025 08:58

That speech wasn't written by anyone. It's AI via dad.

How do you tell? What markers identify a piece as AI?

DisappearingGirl · 16/07/2025 09:24

People asking about the Tommy Robinson connection - well actually I think this whole thing suggests that Tommy Robinson has a point! It's playing right into his hands!

The whole "you can't say you're British anymore, you can't fly the flag" - well the school have just reinforced this line of thinking.

I say this as someone who is fairly leftie and despises Tommy Robinson.

hotlegshoolahan · 16/07/2025 09:24

13planets · 16/07/2025 09:17

I think it’s a huge mistake by this school and clearly most people agree.

We are effacing traditional British values both good and bad in the name of a revisionist retake of British history which has become reduced to “Britain=bad”. My daughter this year studied the British empire (year 9) entirely from the viewpoint of the colonised peoples which was really interesting. But it inevitably focused on dramatic and traumatic stories of terrible suffering - without any context (for example, might some of these colonised peoples have suffered in their own localised contexts anyway?). And then there was a one-liner about the benefits of imperialism (oh we built a few roads and gave them administrative and military improvements). There was absolutely no attempt to set the British context either - the struggles of the working and agricultural classes, of women in general. Just all things British must have been hypocritical, oppressive, greedy and non-Christian and no nuance that the ruling classes did awful things to their own people too so not surprising when they met people overseas they decided they were inferior and set about dominating them in the worst ways imaginable.

I do think it is a shame that we are throwing the baby out with the bath water. My DD’s school is majority non-white British and they are teaching her terrible shame of her own heritage - and teaching her peers to be utterly contemptuous of many things that I think we should value about British culture by ignoring or minimising the important things that are non entertaining for a modern generation of kids: whilst we have a lot of troubling history to confront, we can also be proud of our parliamentary democracy and separation of church, judiciary and state; our rich culture in terms of language, art and scientific discovery.

Recently my dd was tasked with a summer term competition writing a poem about women or a women at school and it was “judged” by the teacher . All the best scores went to girls who could produce an authentic ethnic “voice”. It was the same in y7 and y8. One girl actually pretended to speak a foreign language to try and up her non-British street cred (thank you Google translate).

My dd is as british as they come - her heritage is from a strong working-class and methodist mining background where the voice of women was very loud;her great-great-gran was a lay preacher and a midwife in the 19th century for example. But that was deemed unexciting in her poetry. Shame on the teacher for not knowing her history because it is those strong women who helped to raise a generation to carry us through two world wars, who insisted on having the vote, who made sure their young girls could read and write and hold down a job (DD’s great-gran was a milliner and a lay preacher).

If culture day means “non British culture day” it should be renamed.

All of this.

The school's thinking was clearly from a very narrow political viewpoint ,which excluded cultures and heritage that exist within their school.

GoldThumb · 16/07/2025 09:24

CurlewKate · 16/07/2025 09:16

No? If the school had reason to believe that this child was being made a political pawn It would certainly help to explain why the school made the decision it did.

By making her a bigger one?

Two brain cells between them

Violinist64 · 16/07/2025 09:25

*achievements

Sunshineandoranges · 16/07/2025 09:25

13planets · 16/07/2025 09:17

I think it’s a huge mistake by this school and clearly most people agree.

We are effacing traditional British values both good and bad in the name of a revisionist retake of British history which has become reduced to “Britain=bad”. My daughter this year studied the British empire (year 9) entirely from the viewpoint of the colonised peoples which was really interesting. But it inevitably focused on dramatic and traumatic stories of terrible suffering - without any context (for example, might some of these colonised peoples have suffered in their own localised contexts anyway?). And then there was a one-liner about the benefits of imperialism (oh we built a few roads and gave them administrative and military improvements). There was absolutely no attempt to set the British context either - the struggles of the working and agricultural classes, of women in general. Just all things British must have been hypocritical, oppressive, greedy and non-Christian and no nuance that the ruling classes did awful things to their own people too so not surprising when they met people overseas they decided they were inferior and set about dominating them in the worst ways imaginable.

I do think it is a shame that we are throwing the baby out with the bath water. My DD’s school is majority non-white British and they are teaching her terrible shame of her own heritage - and teaching her peers to be utterly contemptuous of many things that I think we should value about British culture by ignoring or minimising the important things that are non entertaining for a modern generation of kids: whilst we have a lot of troubling history to confront, we can also be proud of our parliamentary democracy and separation of church, judiciary and state; our rich culture in terms of language, art and scientific discovery.

Recently my dd was tasked with a summer term competition writing a poem about women or a women at school and it was “judged” by the teacher . All the best scores went to girls who could produce an authentic ethnic “voice”. It was the same in y7 and y8. One girl actually pretended to speak a foreign language to try and up her non-British street cred (thank you Google translate).

My dd is as british as they come - her heritage is from a strong working-class and methodist mining background where the voice of women was very loud;her great-great-gran was a lay preacher and a midwife in the 19th century for example. But that was deemed unexciting in her poetry. Shame on the teacher for not knowing her history because it is those strong women who helped to raise a generation to carry us through two world wars, who insisted on having the vote, who made sure their young girls could read and write and hold down a job (DD’s great-gran was a milliner and a lay preacher).

If culture day means “non British culture day” it should be renamed.

You expressed this so well. Every one of these tone deaf policies in schools, colleges and universities sends more voters to the right. I have worked in all settings and I wish there would always be a balanced view presented but this is not the case in my experience.

Puffalicious · 16/07/2025 09:25

spoonbillstretford · 16/07/2025 09:23

Yes, I could slightly understand it in certain parts of NI but this was Warwickshire.

Or Glasgow, sadly, where I am.

Catingle · 16/07/2025 09:26

Digdongdoo · 16/07/2025 09:17

I bet the family has form for turning school events into political rallies.

If the school knew there was form for this, it would have been particularly stupid not to foresee the outcome here

XDownwiththissortofthingX · 16/07/2025 09:26

GeneralPeter · 16/07/2025 09:14

I’m not doubting you, but that’s terrible if true. You mean that dressing in Scottish themes is positively encouraged but someone who dressed in British themes would be sent home?

If the worry is sectarianism then surely both or neither has to be the rule.

Edited

This isn't quite the accurate picture of the sectarian issue in Scotland.

The Union flag, and the Irish Tricolour are both synonymous with Sectarian activities in Scotland, and in the case of the Union flag specifically, contextually it's not really seen as an expression of a "British" theme as much as it is an anti-catholic statement, hence why it's sensitive and usually prohibited by schools etc.

It's not about "Scottish - OK, British - Not", because that's not really how it's perceived when the subtext is football/identity-related sectarianism.

pinkglitter12 · 16/07/2025 09:26

This will be a completely different story in 40 years time when white people will be a minority in the uk.
Its really sad that celebrating anything to do with being white is seen as racist.

ElBandito · 16/07/2025 09:27

ShesTheAlbatross · 16/07/2025 08:03

I would honestly have assumed that a lot of kids would be in flag/flag coloured outfits of whatever the relevant country was. For a lot of countries it’s a really easy costume, that is also cheap if you use things the child already has. Eg for France, blue jeans, white top, red hoodie/cardigan/jumper. Maybe some flag face paint on each cheek.

Aren't these the colours of the flag of another country? Hmm let me think.

Or maybe you'd be sent home for being a MAGA supporter. Or for being a communist from North Korea.

Puffalicious · 16/07/2025 09:29

Youdontseehow · 16/07/2025 09:22

@GeneralPeter - it’s the link between the Union Jack/UK and Irish Protestant nationalism. Wearing a Union Jack (or an English football top) “outs” you as a catholic hating proddy to some folk. But there is an element of truth in it to be fair. My DH never wears his team’s football top nor allowed DC to wear one because of the sectarianism associated with it. Same reason we can’t have the big open top bus celebration tours at the end of the season. Bloody ridiculous.

Agreed. The reason why, despite supporting one of the 'big two' we've openly discouraged our 3DS from supporting either. We enrolled them in rugby & it's been a huge & welcome influence on them all. They love football & support Barcelona & Liverpool - suggested by their dad & they've stuck to that all their lives (now young adults).

GeneralPeter · 16/07/2025 09:29

Puffalicious · 16/07/2025 09:21

You don't live here, so you don't understand it. No Irish, Ulster or Union Jack flags are allowed due to connections with Sectarianism. Yes, that's tough if you identify with any of these, but in a school setting it could potentially be dangerous.

We don't have a culture day in my school deep in the East End, but my DS.school did in a different area. Only Scottish flags or those from a country of heritage (and yes he has Irish & English heritage from grand-parents , but understands that's not allowed). His was lovely with loads of kilts & lots of other national dress.

Yes I’m trying to understand it but it still seems wrong to me.

Not the banning of colours, I can see how divisive sectarianism can be. But the banning of one group’s colours only. I could get with no foreign colours (that’s in some way neutral). But foreign colours great, except those ones.

As I say, I’m not deeply versed in this but I am interested. Scottish symbolism can’t really be seen as the unifying neutral, as it’s so closely tried with another contentious issue, independence.

Puffalicious · 16/07/2025 09:30

XDownwiththissortofthingX · 16/07/2025 09:26

This isn't quite the accurate picture of the sectarian issue in Scotland.

The Union flag, and the Irish Tricolour are both synonymous with Sectarian activities in Scotland, and in the case of the Union flag specifically, contextually it's not really seen as an expression of a "British" theme as much as it is an anti-catholic statement, hence why it's sensitive and usually prohibited by schools etc.

It's not about "Scottish - OK, British - Not", because that's not really how it's perceived when the subtext is football/identity-related sectarianism.

Perfectly explained.

13planets · 16/07/2025 09:31

@Violinist64 snap! I’m awed by the tough and amazing lives my ancestors led. My mum’s side were miners and dockworkers. Dad’s side were moderately prosperous farmers, trades like cobbling and more recently engineering. One of my granddads installed power cables all across Britain, and one was killed in the blackout on railway lines during WWII helping to keep supply trains running for our troops. And the women worked and were proud - god how they worked. My gran was a milliner and later a greengrocer when her husband was killed. She raised two kids through hard times. She was a staunch Labour supporter of the old kind: working-class pride, make-do-and-mend and self-sufficiency - she would never take a “handout”.

id love for these stories to be told in schools - the stories of grit and resilience, the stories of innovation and political awakening. These are the places where we can understand the diversity of our culture, and not just the history of the ruling class which is what we are going back to teaching in reverse!

MumofSpud · 16/07/2025 09:31

My school has an annual culture day - it is a huge school with students of different nationalities / backgrounds and is a great day with lots of activities. The highlight is a parade of students in their national costumes (they can choose to participate in this or not). The smallest contingency is always England (despite this nationality not being in the minority in this school - students always say that they don’t have an obvious national costume ) and last year they were booed.

Puffalicious · 16/07/2025 09:34

GeneralPeter · 16/07/2025 09:29

Yes I’m trying to understand it but it still seems wrong to me.

Not the banning of colours, I can see how divisive sectarianism can be. But the banning of one group’s colours only. I could get with no foreign colours (that’s in some way neutral). But foreign colours great, except those ones.

As I say, I’m not deeply versed in this but I am interested. Scottish symbolism can’t really be seen as the unifying neutral, as it’s so closely tried with another contentious issue, independence.

See downwiththissortofthing's post.

And the Scottish flag is quite unifying. It's definitely not universally seen as representing independence. I'm not an SNP supporters in any shape or form & love the Scottish flag. It's flown everywhere here, it doesn't just mean you're pro-independence.

spoonbillstretford · 16/07/2025 09:35

MumofSpud · 16/07/2025 09:31

My school has an annual culture day - it is a huge school with students of different nationalities / backgrounds and is a great day with lots of activities. The highlight is a parade of students in their national costumes (they can choose to participate in this or not). The smallest contingency is always England (despite this nationality not being in the minority in this school - students always say that they don’t have an obvious national costume ) and last year they were booed.

That's awful. The school should really address that.

Newmeagain · 16/07/2025 09:35

CurlewKate · 16/07/2025 07:15

“But sometimes at school, we only hear about other cultures — which is great because learning about different countries is interesting and important. But it can feel like being British doesn’t count as a culture, just because it’s the majority.”

Yep. A “straight A” 12 year old definitely wrote that. Definitely.

Yes, I thought that part was written by the parents.

CurlewKate · 16/07/2025 09:35

GoldThumb · 16/07/2025 09:24

By making her a bigger one?

Two brain cells between them

The school didn’t go to the press. The school isn't doing Daily Mail sad faces.

13planets · 16/07/2025 09:36

@MumofSpud booed? oh my god that’s horrible. I honestly think that with the best of intentions trying to “correct” how we teach history we are making our kids think that being pro-British or worse pro-English is equivalent to Nazism or facism. There’s no space in the curriculum for nuance or debate - you simply have to agree that the British empire was bad and so now being pro-British means you must be bad too.

It is bonkers!

Lifestooshort6591 · 16/07/2025 09:36

EscargotChic · 16/07/2025 07:10

Our school has International Day, and kids are told to come dressed either in clothes from another country or the colours of a flag (any flag). Most kids have at least one parent from another country but if they don’t or can’t be bothered dressing up that leaves plenty of options. And no drama.

I think this is a sensible idea. Its unfortunate that the Union Jack has been hijacked by the far right and made us ashamed of it. I think the school had a knee jerk reaction. But how they explain their reaction to the children I do not know.

Violinist64 · 16/07/2025 09:36

MumofSpud · 16/07/2025 09:31

My school has an annual culture day - it is a huge school with students of different nationalities / backgrounds and is a great day with lots of activities. The highlight is a parade of students in their national costumes (they can choose to participate in this or not). The smallest contingency is always England (despite this nationality not being in the minority in this school - students always say that they don’t have an obvious national costume ) and last year they were booed.

You have contradcted yourself in yourself in your last paragraph. It obviously wasn't such a great day if the English children, the vast majority of children in the school ny your own admission, were booed for being English. This is actually racism. Oh, sorry, white English people are not allowed to be victims of racism, are they?

Merrymouse · 16/07/2025 09:36

GeneralPeter · 16/07/2025 09:29

Yes I’m trying to understand it but it still seems wrong to me.

Not the banning of colours, I can see how divisive sectarianism can be. But the banning of one group’s colours only. I could get with no foreign colours (that’s in some way neutral). But foreign colours great, except those ones.

As I say, I’m not deeply versed in this but I am interested. Scottish symbolism can’t really be seen as the unifying neutral, as it’s so closely tried with another contentious issue, independence.

I think you need to look up the history of sectarianism in Ireland, and why it is linked to Scotland.

Thingyfanding · 16/07/2025 09:37

For those saying ‘just a tree’ ‘just a tree’ 🙄

The conviction was for the highest level of criminal damage, aggravated by its impact on a UNESCO World Heritage Site and damage to Hadrian’s wall. This was an extremely serious act of mindless vandalism and criminal damage.

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