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School "Culture Day' - why didn't school see this coming?

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mids2019 · 16/07/2025 06:10

https://www.joe.co.uk/news/school-issues-statement-after-sending-girl-home-for-wearing-union-jack-dress-496690?fbclid=IwY2xjawLkEB9leHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHmXD4szLMfsqNubbE12kCn_Noe5jb2VGlNFVU0_IUIevHxzByCQ-5GXFN8F8_aem_P-q7I_yFCq82TY-Qr8mGdw

A local school state d a huge debate by sending a girl home on school culture day for wearing a union Jack dress. The question is why the school should have naively held an event which actually least a to more division than unity?

My daughter (white British) attended a similar event, for which she paid a pound, and dressed in jeans and t shirt. I asked how she had decided upon the attire and she stated 'well I don't have a culture'. I then had to explain that she did have a culture and even the jeans and t shirt were a product of fashion changes in western liberal society. We had a discussion about all the great products of white British culture, the music,science, results of the industrial revolution, shared experience in great wars, monarchy etc.

There is a white British culture but going into detail about this obviously brings into focus cultural divide and opens up divisive areas whether white British culture benefited from colonialism and past oppression.

Of course culture day probably was meant to highlight minority cultures and act to promote dress etc. from ethnic minorities as a welcoming inclusive gesture but by allowing all pupils to think about their culture we have to define 'white British' culture and by defining 'white British' culture schools have inadvertently started a discussion they didn't intend.

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LittleBearPad · 16/07/2025 07:53

Glittercar · 16/07/2025 07:52

I also think there will be more to this.

Sometimes things are what they look like. Given the school has apologised it seems very likely that they simply fucked up.

GoldThumb · 16/07/2025 07:54

Digdongdoo · 16/07/2025 07:53

Yes. But I'd like to their uncensored not damage control version of events.

Me too to be fair.

I doubt it would cast them in a favourable light.

Digdongdoo · 16/07/2025 07:55

GoldThumb · 16/07/2025 07:54

Me too to be fair.

I doubt it would cast them in a favourable light.

Perhaps. Or perhaps rhe kids were being little shits. Maybe both. I'm sure all will be revealed in time.

Aspanielstolemysanity · 16/07/2025 07:56

I accept that school may have been played here ...

But what would it be acceptable to wear on "culture day" if you don't have parents /grandparents from other countries?

Magenta82 · 16/07/2025 07:56

I don't understand how celebrating different cultures is wonderful and diverse etc but celebrating the culture of the country we all live an and that supports all the diversity and encourages the celebrating is not ok.

MidnightGloria · 16/07/2025 07:57

BananaCaramel · 16/07/2025 07:06

They were misguided to have held such an event without clear guidelines.

British culture is largely an embarrassment.

Which other cultures do you think are 'largely an embarrassment'? Or is it just ours?

XDownwiththissortofthingX · 16/07/2025 07:58

CurlewKate · 16/07/2025 07:15

“But sometimes at school, we only hear about other cultures — which is great because learning about different countries is interesting and important. But it can feel like being British doesn’t count as a culture, just because it’s the majority.”

Yep. A “straight A” 12 year old definitely wrote that. Definitely.

Heavy "All Lives Matter" vibes

aredcar · 16/07/2025 07:58

BabyCatFace · 16/07/2025 06:55

I don't agree. The theme of the day was to celebrate your culture. Other kids came in Welsh flags and St George's cross and were sent home too. According to the article a kid came dressed as a farmer and was sent home. I don't think the parents 'set her up'. It seems like the day was interpreted that way by quite a few people. I do wonder what they expected white British kids to wear? If you're encouraging national dress or culturally typical clothing, it leaves many kids without a lot of options if they aren't allowed to reference the flag or overt symbols of Britain!

I didn’t realise other kids in Welsh and English flags got sent home too. So bizarre.

my kids are at a school in Wales. They are encouraged to celebrate their culture often. We have many days where they wear welsh traditional clothing or Welsh colours, sports tops etc.

I find it absolutely insane that they asked the kids to dress up for culture day then sent them home when they wore a flag to represent their British culture. How could they possibly justify it?!

imisscashmere · 16/07/2025 07:58

GoldThumb · 16/07/2025 07:33

How so?

Because why. Wtf does “white” have anything to do with it? Clearly somebody is fixated on race.

Choice4567 · 16/07/2025 08:00

My DDs school culture day, if you didn’t have a culture (if you’re British) you had to remain in school uniform and weren’t allowed to dress up/down at all

Digdongdoo · 16/07/2025 08:01

Choice4567 · 16/07/2025 08:00

My DDs school culture day, if you didn’t have a culture (if you’re British) you had to remain in school uniform and weren’t allowed to dress up/down at all

I'd love to see that. Could you post a redacted version of the email?

GoldThumb · 16/07/2025 08:02

imisscashmere · 16/07/2025 07:58

Because why. Wtf does “white” have anything to do with it? Clearly somebody is fixated on race.

Do you think ‘Black British’ culture exists?

And if so, is this different to general ‘British’ culture?

If so, how?

If it is different, who makes up general ‘British culture’, and is black British culture separate from this?

I’m not being goady. Genuinely interested in this view point.

allthegoodusernameshavegone · 16/07/2025 08:03

Surely the union flag is itself a symbol of cultural unity.

ShesTheAlbatross · 16/07/2025 08:03

CurlewKate · 16/07/2025 06:51

Yes, the school should have handled it better. But bloody hell, the parents were dicks for setting the poor kid up like that. And on the off chance it genuinely was entirely the child’s idea, they were dicks for parading her in front of the media like that.

I would honestly have assumed that a lot of kids would be in flag/flag coloured outfits of whatever the relevant country was. For a lot of countries it’s a really easy costume, that is also cheap if you use things the child already has. Eg for France, blue jeans, white top, red hoodie/cardigan/jumper. Maybe some flag face paint on each cheek.

soupyspoon · 16/07/2025 08:03

Aspanielstolemysanity · 16/07/2025 07:56

I accept that school may have been played here ...

But what would it be acceptable to wear on "culture day" if you don't have parents /grandparents from other countries?

Why do you assume that only people from 'other countries' have a culture but someone who has always had heritage from the UK or Britain doesnt?

We have tons of traditions, histories, habits, clothing, games, foods, fesitvals and celebrations in this country which are British. Some modern, some not so modern, some ancient.

Everyone has a culture, its about the way you talk, dress, habits your family has, foods you eat, history you share. There are many overlaps with other countries, other cultures, other communities. Nothing wrong with that either - looking at you Jewish fish and chips.

Aspanielstolemysanity · 16/07/2025 08:03

Choice4567 · 16/07/2025 08:00

My DDs school culture day, if you didn’t have a culture (if you’re British) you had to remain in school uniform and weren’t allowed to dress up/down at all

Shock
Aspanielstolemysanity · 16/07/2025 08:03

Choice4567 · 16/07/2025 08:00

My DDs school culture day, if you didn’t have a culture (if you’re British) you had to remain in school uniform and weren’t allowed to dress up/down at all

Shock
MidnightGloria · 16/07/2025 08:04

Choice4567 · 16/07/2025 08:00

My DDs school culture day, if you didn’t have a culture (if you’re British) you had to remain in school uniform and weren’t allowed to dress up/down at all

That's appalling.

Everyone has a culture, the same way that everyone has an accent. This rule both stigmatises the British children, by making them wear uniform when everyone else can dress nicely, and gives the impression that their culture is the default state and that everything else is 'other'. Whatever that school's intentions were, they really didn't think them through.

Asianbrit · 16/07/2025 08:04

soupyspoon · 16/07/2025 07:31

Oh my god not with the Jewish fish and chips again, how long before something becomes embedded in the culture of the country that its mostly coming from?

So pasta, you know came from China really, not an Italian dish, neither are the tomatoes they serve with it, they're from the new world, I hope no Italians use their cuisine to mark or identify their culture.

and so on, and so on.

Yes and chillies come from South America. As a second generation Asian immigrant I don’t have a problem with someone wearing the Union Jack but I have this question- as a British citizen who has lived in the uk all their life can an Asian origin person wear the flag and claim British culture to be theirs as well? Or do they have to turn up in the national costume of their grandparents and talk about a culture we experience through the immigrant dispora?

CurlewKate · 16/07/2025 08:04

I’d like to know what the kids not wearing Union Jack dresses wore. Not commenting on the alleged flags and farmers ban because it’s only “I heard” this also happened.

Interesting that the dad said that niqabs and burkas and Nigerian dress were allowed. Wonder why he picked those in particular.

Aspanielstolemysanity · 16/07/2025 08:05

soupyspoon · 16/07/2025 08:03

Why do you assume that only people from 'other countries' have a culture but someone who has always had heritage from the UK or Britain doesnt?

We have tons of traditions, histories, habits, clothing, games, foods, fesitvals and celebrations in this country which are British. Some modern, some not so modern, some ancient.

Everyone has a culture, its about the way you talk, dress, habits your family has, foods you eat, history you share. There are many overlaps with other countries, other cultures, other communities. Nothing wrong with that either - looking at you Jewish fish and chips.

I was asking specifically what it would be acceptable for those children to wear?

CurlewKate · 16/07/2025 08:05

Aspanielstolemysanity · 16/07/2025 08:03

Shock

How exactly did they phrase that? Did they ban kilts?

Aspanielstolemysanity · 16/07/2025 08:06

Asianbrit · 16/07/2025 08:04

Yes and chillies come from South America. As a second generation Asian immigrant I don’t have a problem with someone wearing the Union Jack but I have this question- as a British citizen who has lived in the uk all their life can an Asian origin person wear the flag and claim British culture to be theirs as well? Or do they have to turn up in the national costume of their grandparents and talk about a culture we experience through the immigrant dispora?

This is such a good point too.

imisscashmere · 16/07/2025 08:06

KarmaKameelion · 16/07/2025 07:51

so can you not reference black British culture either?

it is statements like this that are handing reform the next election on a plate.

someone referencing white British culture does not make them a racist. But telling them they are pushes them away from having a conversation on it and into the silent majority who will vote reform and then all the pearl clutching lefties will be left changing their Facebook statuses to how shocked they are the country voted this way when for once they could have just shown the tolerance they bleat on about that we might not be in this mess.

People being ignorant and dense is behind the success of Reform.

I agree that referencing “white British culture” doesn’t necessarily make you a racist - although I’d love to hear an explanation for the significance of it being explicitly WHITE British culture. OP constantly referencing “white culture” when the article in question/ topic under discussion is not about race reveals a preoccupation with skin colour, to put it mildly.

Restlessinthenorth · 16/07/2025 08:07

In a similar vein...I teaching nursing. Quite rightly teach cultural competency in nursing care. Our students are excellent at understanding what the needs of lots of cultures might be, however when my colleague (who is of black Zimbabwean heritage) ask the class what the cultural needs of white British people might include, there is literal tumbleweeds. She makes a point of asking this and has commented before on how ludicrous this is and would not be the case in any other country she has worked in.

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