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School "Culture Day' - why didn't school see this coming?

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mids2019 · 16/07/2025 06:10

https://www.joe.co.uk/news/school-issues-statement-after-sending-girl-home-for-wearing-union-jack-dress-496690?fbclid=IwY2xjawLkEB9leHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHmXD4szLMfsqNubbE12kCn_Noe5jb2VGlNFVU0_IUIevHxzByCQ-5GXFN8F8_aem_P-q7I_yFCq82TY-Qr8mGdw

A local school state d a huge debate by sending a girl home on school culture day for wearing a union Jack dress. The question is why the school should have naively held an event which actually least a to more division than unity?

My daughter (white British) attended a similar event, for which she paid a pound, and dressed in jeans and t shirt. I asked how she had decided upon the attire and she stated 'well I don't have a culture'. I then had to explain that she did have a culture and even the jeans and t shirt were a product of fashion changes in western liberal society. We had a discussion about all the great products of white British culture, the music,science, results of the industrial revolution, shared experience in great wars, monarchy etc.

There is a white British culture but going into detail about this obviously brings into focus cultural divide and opens up divisive areas whether white British culture benefited from colonialism and past oppression.

Of course culture day probably was meant to highlight minority cultures and act to promote dress etc. from ethnic minorities as a welcoming inclusive gesture but by allowing all pupils to think about their culture we have to define 'white British' culture and by defining 'white British' culture schools have inadvertently started a discussion they didn't intend.

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Caravaggiouch · 16/07/2025 11:16

All feels a bit staged to me. Would she have been sent home for a Union Jack tshirt? Rather than a short, tight, Spice Girls costume.

GoldThumb · 16/07/2025 11:17

XDownwiththissortofthingX · 16/07/2025 10:57

Tea is not "uniquely British" for crying out loud, which is the only point I'm making.

Linked culturally and historically, yes, of course it is, but that's not something I'm denying.

The original point was that tea-drinking is invariably mentioned as something quintessentially British, which, while that might be true, isn't exactly unique to Britain, and nor is it something Britain can even claim to have invented and passed on to other cultures. On the contrary, it's something we adopted from other cultures ourselves, so it's a bit cheeky to try and pass it off as culturally more significant to Brits than any other culture.

But you’ve randomly added ‘uniquely’
No one else mentioned that word, such a straw man

Digdongdoo · 16/07/2025 11:17

Vivi0 · 16/07/2025 11:14

You are the one that seems to be missing the point here.

The views of the child’s parents are completely irrelevant. The school issued a brief for culture day. Her family read it, understood it and dressed their daughter accordingly.

The child was punished when she had done nothing wrong. That is the point.

We actually have no idea whether or not child (or her parent) did anything wrong. We only have dad's word, and a very diplomatic response from the school. Very little to go on at all really.

FairKoala · 16/07/2025 11:17

Digdongdoo · 16/07/2025 09:50

The speech thing seems to be a bit of a red herring anyway. Doesn't seem like there was ever a plan for her to read a speech in the first place.

It was part of the assignment/himework

EasternStandard · 16/07/2025 11:19

Caravaggiouch · 16/07/2025 11:16

All feels a bit staged to me. Would she have been sent home for a Union Jack tshirt? Rather than a short, tight, Spice Girls costume.

Short tight? Bizarre. It’s to her knees for a start. Bizarre how people spread stuff.

FairKoala · 16/07/2025 11:20

Digdongdoo · 16/07/2025 11:17

We actually have no idea whether or not child (or her parent) did anything wrong. We only have dad's word, and a very diplomatic response from the school. Very little to go on at all really.

I think if the girl or those coming in anything to do with British culture had done anything wrong I think the school would have pointed out the wrong doing

Vivi0 · 16/07/2025 11:21

Digdongdoo · 16/07/2025 11:17

We actually have no idea whether or not child (or her parent) did anything wrong. We only have dad's word, and a very diplomatic response from the school. Very little to go on at all really.

She wore a Union Jack dress.

So, unless Union Jacks are considered wrong, then yes, we can absolutely say that she has done nothing wrong.

Greenkindness · 16/07/2025 11:23

I think it sounds like the speech was problematic. The dress was fine.

If this had been my daughter I wouldn’t have put it all over social media or taken any media enquiries.

Digdongdoo · 16/07/2025 11:24

Vivi0 · 16/07/2025 11:21

She wore a Union Jack dress.

So, unless Union Jacks are considered wrong, then yes, we can absolutely say that she has done nothing wrong.

You have no idea that was the only thing that happened. School didn't say that. Only her and her dad have.

Digdongdoo · 16/07/2025 11:25

FairKoala · 16/07/2025 11:17

It was part of the assignment/himework

Was it? Either way dad says nobody had read it yet, so the contents of it obviously wasn't the issue.

KarmaKameelion · 16/07/2025 11:26

Greenkindness · 16/07/2025 11:23

I think it sounds like the speech was problematic. The dress was fine.

If this had been my daughter I wouldn’t have put it all over social media or taken any media enquiries.

If he speech was problematic then why has she been offered by the school to read it out?

Digdongdoo · 16/07/2025 11:30

KarmaKameelion · 16/07/2025 11:26

If he speech was problematic then why has she been offered by the school to read it out?

Damage control. Media pressure. Social media witchhunts. Take your pick.

EasternStandard · 16/07/2025 11:30

Digdongdoo · 16/07/2025 11:24

You have no idea that was the only thing that happened. School didn't say that. Only her and her dad have.

So why presume anything? It’s just spreading stuff without any evidence or basis.

Screamingabdabz · 16/07/2025 11:31

Greenkindness · 16/07/2025 11:23

I think it sounds like the speech was problematic. The dress was fine.

If this had been my daughter I wouldn’t have put it all over social media or taken any media enquiries.

This was the ‘speech’:

Today I want to talk about my culture - British culture - and why it's important to me.
In Britain, we have lots of traditions including drinking tea, our love for talking about the weather and we have the royal family.
We have amazing history, like kings and queens, castles, and writers like Shakespeare.
It's also modern, diverse and always changing - with music fashion and food from all around the world blending into daily life. And let's not forget fish and chips!
Its also the way we speak, our humour, our values of fairness and politeness, and the mix of old traditions and new ideas.
But sometimes at school, we only hear about other cultures - which is great because learning about different countries is interesting and important. But it can feel like being British doesn't count as a culture, just because it's the majority.
I think culture should be for everyone - not just for people from other countries or backgrounds. Being British is still a culture, and it matters too.. It's part of who I am.
So let's celebrate all cultures - whether they come from far away or right here at home.

Digdongdoo · 16/07/2025 11:31

EasternStandard · 16/07/2025 11:30

So why presume anything? It’s just spreading stuff without any evidence or basis.

Sure. But then you shouldn't presume anything either. Goes both ways. No actual evidence of much at all from anyone.

Greenkindness · 16/07/2025 11:33

KarmaKameelion · 16/07/2025 11:26

If he speech was problematic then why has she been offered by the school to read it out?

To make her feel better? I don’t know all the ins and outs. Just commenting.

Just seen on Twitter there is a go fund me for her.

EasternStandard · 16/07/2025 11:35

Digdongdoo · 16/07/2025 11:31

Sure. But then you shouldn't presume anything either. Goes both ways. No actual evidence of much at all from anyone.

Stick to what you know. A lot of posts are conjecture against the girl.

All this she must have form, too tight short, bad writing nonsense is against a girl wearing a dress as asked. People should think about why they do that.

sashh · 16/07/2025 11:35

I would argue there is very little that is 'British Culture', there are lots of cultures and I think most people juggle different cultures.

There will be experiences you only have in certain areas. The words you use vary by region as does some of the food you eat.

One of my friends will say to me, "Am I being black?" sometimes. Eg we went out for a meal and she picked up the cutlery and wiped it with her napkin.

Things like whether you wash meat before cooking it or not are cultural.

Digdongdoo · 16/07/2025 11:37

EasternStandard · 16/07/2025 11:35

Stick to what you know. A lot of posts are conjecture against the girl.

All this she must have form, too tight short, bad writing nonsense is against a girl wearing a dress as asked. People should think about why they do that.

All we know is that the kid was sent home early and school apologised for how they handled it. You should no more presume her innocence than I should pressure her/her dad are being economical with the truth at best.

CurlewKate · 16/07/2025 11:38

To be clear-I don’t think the child has done anything wrong. And I don’t think anyone else on here does either.

MyHeartyCoralSnail · 16/07/2025 11:39

JustSawJohnny · 16/07/2025 11:13

I'd love to hear the school's real take on this.

It seems like such an overreaction to a something that, let's face it, many people's mind would go to if they had to think of something 'cultural' for being English/British. I mean, we don't have an official national dress so it's reasonable to turn to the flag.

I can't help thinking the kid may have previous for 'Farage' type commentary in school. Maybe there were already underlying 'Nationalistic' tendencies that the school didn't want stirring up on Culture day. Her 'essay' took a bit of a turn for the Reform at the end, I thought. A tad goady. Like she was taken the opportunity of Culture Day to have a dig.

I do feel for the Head, whatever happened. She's being publicly hunted on SM and it wasn't even her who made the decision, from what I've heard (I live in the area).

The kid and the Dad are enjoying their 5 minutes in the spotlight, for sure and, as we predicted when we first heard about this via our local paper a few days back, the usual suspects of the Daily Fail, The Express, GB News et al are all frothing at the mouth over it. Next stop a statement from 20p Lee or Tommy Robinson.

As an aside, I would point out that they weren't the only local school to do this last week. DS's did too and it was fine. Lots of kids in football shirts, eating Jollof and Jerk and having a merry old time.

And honestly, we DID have the conversation about what he was going to wear to represent English culture. Would we have let him wear a shirt covered in the flag? We didn't suggest it, but I don't think so. It all comes back to the 'Nationalists stole our flag' argument, for me. I don't want to wear it or fly it but that doesn't make this country any less 'mine' than those who do.

And they is a massive issue right now hit there that you somehow don’t want your child associated with the flag of his country.

EasternStandard · 16/07/2025 11:39

Digdongdoo · 16/07/2025 11:37

All we know is that the kid was sent home early and school apologised for how they handled it. You should no more presume her innocence than I should pressure her/her dad are being economical with the truth at best.

So say that then. You can’t back any claims she has form so don’t spread it.

Catcatcat111 · 16/07/2025 11:39

Youdontseehow · 16/07/2025 09:15

The kid dressed as a farmer made me laugh out loud although I’m not sure why! Just various images in my mind of what “dressing like a farmer” actually constitutes 🤣

Checked shirt, sleeves rolled up and jeans!

CurlewKate · 16/07/2025 11:39

Digdongdoo · 16/07/2025 11:37

All we know is that the kid was sent home early and school apologised for how they handled it. You should no more presume her innocence than I should pressure her/her dad are being economical with the truth at best.

We also know that the father is a Tommy Robinson supporter and put this story all over the media.

MyHeartyCoralSnail · 16/07/2025 11:41

Digdongdoo · 16/07/2025 11:37

All we know is that the kid was sent home early and school apologised for how they handled it. You should no more presume her innocence than I should pressure her/her dad are being economical with the truth at best.

So you don’t think British people have a right to celebrate their culture and patriotism in their own country

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