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Do your primary schools issue Chromebooks/other devices?

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KitsPoint · 18/05/2025 17:43

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My kids’ primary has recently announced a plan to start introducing Chromebooks.
I’m really saddened by this as kids should be getting less screen time, not more!!😔 I can see it might be convenient but handwriting and concentration are bound to suffer. I also fear it will lead to cuts of other things eg art/science experiments. The school struggles to fund equipment now, by the time they’ve blown the budget on Chromebooks they’ll be nothing left.

Am interested to hear experiences of people whose primary schools are using devices - is it as bad as I fear? Maybe parents like it if it gives them an easy life.

thanks

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gerenilla · 20/05/2025 02:20

DD's London private primary has devices for each student (not sure which ones - eldest dc is Year 2 and they are used by older pupils), but they stay in school. The school is fairly committed to low-tech/traditional teaching - they do ICT pretty well, but don't rely on tech for other lessons (although they use Atom a lot for 11+ prep). They have had a speaker come in to talk about being Smartphone-Free until age 14 and a lot of parents are supporting that. I am a bit skeptical about that tbh (I don't think it will be practical in a few years) but I think my dcs learn better with concrete objects and hands-on activities.

My niece's state secondary issues Chromebooks to all pupils, but her state primary school didn't. Our local state secondary doesn't issue them, but a nearby private secondary expects pupils to purchase a Surface Pro.

Natsku · 20/05/2025 04:40

ElidaGibbs · 19/05/2025 23:32

I agree with you, OP. My DC's school issues a chromebook for each child. It's the only thing I don't like about the school, and it's for two reasons:

  1. We have very little control over it. The school's filter is installed and I'm sure it's very good, so I'm not overly concerned about inappropiate material, but there's no way for us to install time limits on it the way we have on our own devices. Yes, it just means we have to parent, I know. And we do. But it's another source of friction which frankly I could do without. And it's more screentime doing things that wouldn't otherwise require a screen, so even if the activity is wholesome (writing stories etc), the screen aspect means more stimulation, more blue light in the evenings, etc
  2. Lots of the DC's homework and learning is done via the chromebook. Seneca for science, Mathswatch for maths, Sentencebuilder for Spanish. And I can see the advantages: teachers can see what has been done and when, with much more data, and many of these platforms are dynamic and taylor the questions so that each pupil gets more practice on their weak areas, less on their strong ones. But, I can't shake the feeling (and I'm sure there's research to back this up, although I don't have time to look it up now) that clicking on numbers/words with a mouse doesn't activate the same neural pathways as writing does. I just don't think children learn as effectively via screens as they do with the various manifestations of pen and paper - flashcards, mind maps, blurting, past papers etc.

Scrolling To Death is quite interesting on this:
https://www.facebook.com/share/r/1BmjrZ5CEA/

Anecdotally, I know I learn much better with pen and paper than from screens. I went to vocational school two years ago, all the theory side was on laptops, from online textbooks. I had to basically copy all the texts (in my own words, so slightly abbreviated as I had to translate as well) out by hand in notebooks so I could study from them rather than from the computer. Some others in my class printed out everything and read from the printouts instead.

KitsPoint · 20/05/2025 08:23

OhCrumbsWhereNow · 19/05/2025 23:18

I don't know any secondary schools that don't use Sparx as standard for all Maths homework.

Do you even know how the platform works?

I think you might struggle to find a secondary school that will work for you. There are no text books these days in any subjects.

The schools my kids will be going to for secondary don’t use Sparx
maths. Where my son is going there are no devices outside computer science until Y9 - while I’m not a big fan it is a world away from handing them to 7 year olds like sweeties. And this thread it mainly about primary anyway.

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KitsPoint · 20/05/2025 08:25

KitsPoint · 20/05/2025 08:23

The schools my kids will be going to for secondary don’t use Sparx
maths. Where my son is going there are no devices outside computer science until Y9 - while I’m not a big fan it is a world away from handing them to 7 year olds like sweeties. And this thread it mainly about primary anyway.

Oh, and the deputy head at my son’s soon-to-be secondary was the one who first told me about the research showing that learning from screens is less effective than learning from paper, so thankfully it’s well on their radar.

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KitsPoint · 20/05/2025 08:48

Talipesmum · 19/05/2025 17:51

I’m just coming on to offer a couple of examples of really great use of tech in secondary schools, and some where it works less well, and examples of how my kids school has been managing it. Screens and computers are not all evil and at university, they’ll all be using them most of the time. It’s not an all or nothing approach.

As well as written work, my kids are often set maths homework using online systems. They also have access to maths revision sites (often online homework is through these sites). Eg Maths Genie. It’s absolutely brilliant for homework and revision - my kids really rate it, it helps them see worked answers and examples where they’re getting something wrong, helps give extra practice questions on areas they want to do more revision on etc. Brilliant at really showing and coaching - ON TOP obviously of this happening in the classroom. Not all the websites / apps are this good. But this one is excellent.

At sixth form college, nearly all the work in maths / further maths classrooms is on whiteboards, some at desk and some on the wall in a collaborative way. They also use paper copies of past papers and questions and notebooks, and they also use loads of tech for homework as mentioned above. It’s a true combination.

In history a level, they have textbooks, they’re collating notes on their research topic online or handwritten, and are writing their long research essay submissions in ms word, not handwritten. They can also use online research resources. The sixth form college doesn’t really have a library - the subject books and extension books are kept in the subject classrooms, and there’s a giant ICT suite for private study.

In language gcse lessons they are entirely paper and classroom based, but for homework the teacher sometimes sets online quiz homework, or other online written work. It really varies in quality - some is useful and some is not.

Other than specific lessons in the computer rooms, or kids with SEN, the classroom work is non screens. They don’t use textbooks much though - a lot of photocopied sheets. No phones out in school. As the tech used for homework gets better, they’re using it more usefully. I fully expect that at university they’ll do a lot more on laptops / tablets. It’s important to learn how to do this, but it can be gradual.

Thanks for sharing your experiences. I don’t dispute there may be benefits from limited, thoughtful and appropriate use of tech, particularly in secondary, but I still think there is no need at all for NT kids at least in primary.

I’m particularly concerned because a) I don’t believe my kids’ primary will limit the use to anything near what may be appropriate and b) as parents we will have very little insight into how it is actually being used and I fully expect them to say one thing and do another.

In circumstances where they can’t even afford basic stationery (let alone provide legally mandated EHCP support), it is inconceivable that there won’t be further cuts to “analogue” learning and greater reliance on screens/apps/ebooks etc.

Why spend money on expensive and messy art equipment when you can draw a nice picture on your Chromebook?

Why waste money on library books, why even waste space on a library, when you can have a world of books on your screen?!

Can’t afford a full time teacher? No problem, Oak Academy can teach you all!

😔

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TempsPerdu · 20/05/2025 09:01

ElidaGibbs · 19/05/2025 23:32

I agree with you, OP. My DC's school issues a chromebook for each child. It's the only thing I don't like about the school, and it's for two reasons:

  1. We have very little control over it. The school's filter is installed and I'm sure it's very good, so I'm not overly concerned about inappropiate material, but there's no way for us to install time limits on it the way we have on our own devices. Yes, it just means we have to parent, I know. And we do. But it's another source of friction which frankly I could do without. And it's more screentime doing things that wouldn't otherwise require a screen, so even if the activity is wholesome (writing stories etc), the screen aspect means more stimulation, more blue light in the evenings, etc
  2. Lots of the DC's homework and learning is done via the chromebook. Seneca for science, Mathswatch for maths, Sentencebuilder for Spanish. And I can see the advantages: teachers can see what has been done and when, with much more data, and many of these platforms are dynamic and taylor the questions so that each pupil gets more practice on their weak areas, less on their strong ones. But, I can't shake the feeling (and I'm sure there's research to back this up, although I don't have time to look it up now) that clicking on numbers/words with a mouse doesn't activate the same neural pathways as writing does. I just don't think children learn as effectively via screens as they do with the various manifestations of pen and paper - flashcards, mind maps, blurting, past papers etc.

Scrolling To Death is quite interesting on this:
https://www.facebook.com/share/r/1BmjrZ5CEA/

I also agree with the OP; we are now partly choosing secondary schools for DD based on the extent (or not) to which they are tech-obsessed - we’ll be dodging the ones that proudly proclaim that much of their learning is done on iPads/Chrome Books (to the extent that we are moving house to avoid our local feeder academy, where the majority of learning is screen-based). DD is only 7 but we’re already having minor battles with her primary over the gamification of online learning tools such as TT rockstars. Increasing numbers of parents are now refusing to use these apps at all as they find them detrimental to both (genuine, long-term) learning and behaviour.

Re the assimilation of information/ideas via reading, there’s now a fair bit of evidence stacking up that screens are inferior to paper reading for genuine, deep understanding. And anecdotally I am very much aware that I comprehend things far better on paper. I now always print off key documents for meetings and read offline as I take in so much more information that way.

DP actually works in a fairly high level IT role and is all over this. He doesn’t even much rate Chrome Books as a tool for teaching core tech skills, and he like me wants DD off screens as much as possible.

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2024/jan/17/kids-reading-better-paper-vs-screen

A groundbreaking study shows kids learn better on paper, not screens. Now what?

For ‘deeper reading’ among children aged 10-12, paper trumps screens. What does it mean when schools are going digital?

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2024/jan/17/kids-reading-better-paper-vs-screen

TempsPerdu · 20/05/2025 09:09

Additionally, having now spent a considerable amount of time volunteering at DD’s primary and seen that almost all teacher input is already via interminable PowerPoint slides, I don’t want DD completing set tasks/independent work on screens as well. It is all incredibly dull, and I’ve become increasingly disillusioned at the lack of physical movement and meaningful real-life experience the children are getting on a daily basis. Even many assemblies are now virtual. (We’re taking her out as part of the move at the end of this school year.)

E404 · 20/05/2025 09:10

MrsSunshine2b · 18/05/2025 23:15

Do you do your job using pen and paper?

How would your employer react to you submitting a handwritten report?

Children don't need to learn beautiful cursive script, they need to be adept at using technology.

The reasons for limiting screen time isn't because screens themselves are harmful, it's because screens are the medium which delivers passive entertainment, addictive games which skew dopamine expectations, doom-scrolling through endless short videos destroying concentration spans and self-esteem damaging social media; in short, many of the worst things that children can be doing to their brains are accessed via a screen.

Googling Vikings, making posters about being eco friendly and typing stories doesn't fall into that category.

Agreed. Shorts, social media (when abused and not wisely used), scrolling and in general unstrategised use of screens is the problem. When school directs your attention is a bit different. They can also teach kids better than most adults how to protect themselves online, how to navigate that whole world if the parents aren't that familiar with it.

HundredPercentUnsure · 20/05/2025 09:29

Our primary has:

  • shared Computer suite with 30 PCs (with recently replaced keyboards so currently no missing keys 🫣)
  • shared iPads x30 in two wheely charging banks to move from class to class.
  • 6 iPads and a teacher-only Microsoft GoPro tablet per class (2 form entry, EYFS-Y6) - children use them to photograph their classroom learning independently mostly, or for used reading sessions
  • interactive whiteboard (screen) per class, for learning inputs
  • 30 laptops for Y6, which the rest of the school can borrow if booked in advance.

Writing it all down it sounds like a lot! But the reality is, most of them are borrowed/floating around the school for children with challenging behaviour, for reward time, for pre-PRU children and classroom refusers, for children with SEN, for lunchtime clubs. The reality is lots of them are broken, have keys missing, don't hold a charge, aren't charged and missing charging cables. They reality is they are all very dated and tired equipment.

My class is Y1, we hardly use them except for the weekly Computing suite lesson and to take photos of practical learning to be recorded in books.

BoredZelda · 20/05/2025 09:33

KitsPoint · 19/05/2025 12:47

Putting aside your DD’s fairly specific needs (and I understand why she is your priority and focus):

You’re not remotely concerned about numerous pieces of peer-reviewed research from highly respected institutions that have concluded that screen-based education is detrimental and/or positively harmful for multiple reasons?

Wow.

I would be profoundly depressed and appalled if the secondaries which I hope my kids will attend is had everything “on apps - homework, behaviour, messages. Most revision is now supplied as online resources (Sparxs Maths, Seneca, Memrise) and videos.”
Thankfully the schools are not currently like this and I will be campaigning hard to keep it that way!

They don’t have text books any more

Horrifying, genuinely horrifying.

What is so horrifying about no textbooks?

Having a dog eared, ripped book which is outdated and there aren’t enough of to go round v clear, up to date learning materials, what’s better?

My nephew left school just before this kind of tech was common in schools. He rarely had a text book, everything was done with photocopied excerpts from books.

Natsku · 20/05/2025 09:49

BoredZelda · 20/05/2025 09:33

What is so horrifying about no textbooks?

Having a dog eared, ripped book which is outdated and there aren’t enough of to go round v clear, up to date learning materials, what’s better?

My nephew left school just before this kind of tech was common in schools. He rarely had a text book, everything was done with photocopied excerpts from books.

No textbooks is horrifying because it means they won't learn as well as they would if they were using physical textbooks, because studies have shown we learn and remember better reading from paper than a screen. I want my children to get the best education, not a subpar one.
Also their textbooks are in decent condition, everyone gets their own for the year, plus workbooks to keep, because their schools invest in textbooks instead of too much tech.

OhCrumbsWhereNow · 20/05/2025 09:55

Natsku · 20/05/2025 09:49

No textbooks is horrifying because it means they won't learn as well as they would if they were using physical textbooks, because studies have shown we learn and remember better reading from paper than a screen. I want my children to get the best education, not a subpar one.
Also their textbooks are in decent condition, everyone gets their own for the year, plus workbooks to keep, because their schools invest in textbooks instead of too much tech.

DD's school doesn't provide tech (we bought DD's for her), but no text books either. Just worksheets. Kids are expected to have a computer at home for homework.

With 450 in a year, there's no way they could afford text books.

DemBonesDemBones · 20/05/2025 09:57

Every child from p4 is issued an iPad at our school.

TheNightingalesStarling · 20/05/2025 10:04

Natsku · 20/05/2025 09:49

No textbooks is horrifying because it means they won't learn as well as they would if they were using physical textbooks, because studies have shown we learn and remember better reading from paper than a screen. I want my children to get the best education, not a subpar one.
Also their textbooks are in decent condition, everyone gets their own for the year, plus workbooks to keep, because their schools invest in textbooks instead of too much tech.

You may find this shocking... many schools can't afford either. So online platforms are the best option to share information.

Not enough textbooks has been a problem for decades. I have strong memories of having to do homework on rotation as we had shared textbooks...

MrsSunshine2b · 20/05/2025 11:10

Natsku · 20/05/2025 09:49

No textbooks is horrifying because it means they won't learn as well as they would if they were using physical textbooks, because studies have shown we learn and remember better reading from paper than a screen. I want my children to get the best education, not a subpar one.
Also their textbooks are in decent condition, everyone gets their own for the year, plus workbooks to keep, because their schools invest in textbooks instead of too much tech.

We're not bringing back the textbook in any meaningful way. They are heavy, bulky and expensive, they get damaged and lost, and they go out of date frequently.

IF it's true that reading something on a screen is less engaging than reading a book (and if we put aside the irony of you trying desperately to prove this with a whole load of online sources for us to read), then the solution is working out why and improving the screen. If it is the mechanical motion of turning pages and being able to make handwritten annotations, that's completely possibly with touch screens.

BoredZelda · 20/05/2025 11:30

You might think so. But sadly there’s increasing evidence to the contrary.
eg:

Did you read any of these?

UNITED NATIONS REPORT: LITTLE EVIDENCE THAT DIGITAL TECHNOLOGY SUPPORTS EDUCATION AND EXCESSIVE SCREENTIME IS HARMFUL TO CHILDREN
(their shouty caps not mine) ehtrust.org/united-nations-report-little-evidence-that-digital-technology-supports-education-and-excessive-screentime-is-harmful-to-children/

This report was based solely on digital learning during the pandemic. It states clearly there is not enough information to draw meaningful conclusions. Worth mentioning also, it is a global report which means that the impacts on education in the U.K. do not necessarily reflect the global picture.

The conclusion it did draw was around the disparity of learning among those who did not have the means to engage in online learning. It is true that children from poorer backgrounds did far worse during Covid partly from a lack of access but also because they were less likely to have a parent engaged in their learning, given far lower numbers of people living in poverty were able to work from home.

The poverty gap is nothing new, and those children were doing less well prior to digital learning and will likely continue to unless governments do something to improve the lives of people living in poverty. The Scottish Government provides devices for all children, so the digital gap is far smaller and resolves many of the issues spoken about in that report.

An ed-tech tragedy? Educational technologies and school closures in the time of COVID-19
This paper also focussed on remote learning, the absence of face to face teacher time. Its title also makes it clear it is about school closures. I don’t think anybody denies this was not a good situation for many pupils (although also worth noting many did thrive in the environment)

The outcomes attributed to this were as much a factor of Covid lockdowns as it was the increases reliance on tech at that time.

Interestingly Finland and Sweden, which are both feted as countries with very high educational standards, are now ditching devices in the classroom and reverting to a paper-based education.
There is no widespread, government backed return to pen and paper. Indeed the only reference to this is a news story about 1 town in Finland rejecting digital learning. The current references to the Scandi nations ditching tech are around the use of smartphones in class. This is an entirely different issue from young people having digital learning during class. My daughter’s school also bans smartphones, but they access digital learning on council provided iPads. My friend’s children in Sweden learn in the same way.

In all reports I keep seeing references to a 2023 “statement” from the Karolinska Institute. When looking for this statement in their archives, I couldn’t find it. What I did find was many other references about the benefits of digital learning, and also many more references to their own courses, all of which rely heavily on digital learning.

www.thetimes.com/article/d11cd6f5-8327-4875-9403-c35de3824d5c?shareToken=fecf8eba085eceeaadac2fb2bc97bfb9
See also “Jonathan Haidt: ‘Anything you do digital in schools is worse“

Opinion pieces with scant evidence. One of which comes from a guy with a book to sell on the subject.

www.tes.com/magazine/analysis/general/jonathan-haidt-digital-worse-technology-in-schools-children-and-ph
An opinion piece, discussing Haight’s book. The piece also says this However, Haidt’s claims and proposals have been stridently challenged by academics who are expert in the fields that The Anxious Generation touched upon. Indeed, such has been the strength of the rebuke to his book that Haidt has penned frequent defences of his position using his blog and articles.”

Children need ICT lessons, they absolutely do not need to do any other learning using computers.
Children need to learn lots of things. There is no evidence at all that learning using tech is sub standard.

Even if you want to study a computer science degree, many universities prefer you NOT to have done A Level computer science (or don’t care if you’ve done it).

Where is the evidence for this? Incidentally, my husband who hires people to work in IT prefers they don’t have a degree either, but that’s because of the quality and relevance of teaching rather than anything else.

At school we had ICT lessons, and I learned to touch type but that was the extent to which IT was used in the classroom. I’ve easily picked up all the additional IT skills I’ve needed as an adult (and I work in a role that involves a lot of specialist IT).
There are an abundance of skills I have picked up as an adult that I wasn’t taught at school. But having young people come in to my workplace already tech savvy and able to use the basic office software has meant I can concentrate on teaching them the job specific skills they need rather than spending time teaching them how to use excel and word.

As for your comment about lovely cursive handwriting, there is also clear evidence that learning is more effective when you take handwritten notes than if you type them, eg:
www.psychiatrist.com/news/handwriting-shows-unexpected-benefits-over-typing/

This piece relates to a single study, on children between the ages of two and five. It notes there is a very short term retention of the ability to remember single letters depending on whether they were types or handwritten. The introduction to this study cites others which claim hand writing is better, but also says However, subsequent studies did not confirm the advantage of the handwriting method (Vaughn et al., 1992, Vaughn et al., 1993). The results obtained in these studies showed that children’s word writing and recognition performances were not affected when they had used a typing method”

The evidence is far from clear.

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11943480/

From the above “These findings indicate that the differences between handwriting and typing are not solely dependent on motor execution but are also influenced by user experience, experimental methodology, and the type of writing device employed. The data reviewed suggest that handwriting and typing engage overlapping yet distinct neural networks” The rest of the report talks about how these things may be a benefit.

I get this is a passion of yours and using terms like “Peer reviewed” makes it sound like you are all over the science, and all those important looking links make it seem you have a slam dunk. However, nothing you have posted falls into the category of a properly peer reviewed study which concludes definitively that the use of tech for teaching is a net negative for young people. Most of it is a series of links which simply point to each other.

Maybe you didn’t read it all. Maybe you thought nobody else would. Maybe you wanted to do a froth inducing “all tech is bad” post, I don’t know. Until you are able to properly support your stance with actual evidence (which doesn’t exist) it’s probably best to refrain from posting links which do nothing to support what you are saying.

My own view is there is a place in education for both and when the education departments actually start to get on board with bringing the curriculum into the 21st century, that’s to be applauded. Making sure we are gathering data to review how well our education system is doing and why, is a good thing to do. Sadly, it isn’t happening so we actually have no idea why our young people have been subjected to declining standards in education since long before we started using tech in classrooms.

BoredZelda · 20/05/2025 11:38

Natsku · 20/05/2025 09:49

No textbooks is horrifying because it means they won't learn as well as they would if they were using physical textbooks, because studies have shown we learn and remember better reading from paper than a screen. I want my children to get the best education, not a subpar one.
Also their textbooks are in decent condition, everyone gets their own for the year, plus workbooks to keep, because their schools invest in textbooks instead of too much tech.

Correct me if I’m wrong @Natsku, but from a dim and distant memory, aren’t you Finnish? Not sure if you live here and have experience of our education system, but our textbooks (where they exist) are not in good condition in any of the schools I have experienced. They used to be, because we covered them in wallpaper, but they were kept so long they were very out of date. Indeed, one of the textbook I had, had my uncle’s name in it. He is almost 30 years older than I am.

I’d be interested to see where “studies have shown” this, because as far as I can tell, studies do not definitively show anything of the sort. I know I retain information better when presented on screen, as it is easier for me to cross check references and go back to previous sections to confirm context.

Natsku · 20/05/2025 15:50

BoredZelda · 20/05/2025 11:38

Correct me if I’m wrong @Natsku, but from a dim and distant memory, aren’t you Finnish? Not sure if you live here and have experience of our education system, but our textbooks (where they exist) are not in good condition in any of the schools I have experienced. They used to be, because we covered them in wallpaper, but they were kept so long they were very out of date. Indeed, one of the textbook I had, had my uncle’s name in it. He is almost 30 years older than I am.

I’d be interested to see where “studies have shown” this, because as far as I can tell, studies do not definitively show anything of the sort. I know I retain information better when presented on screen, as it is easier for me to cross check references and go back to previous sections to confirm context.

I grew up in the UK and went to school there, we have textbooks, one each if I remember right, and fairly decent condition (obviously all the pictures had been doodled on) but that was 20 years ago when I finished school so I do realise the textbook funding situation is not the same anymore, but that is a choice that the government and schools make, and a different choice can be made, like they made different choices in Finland and make sure textbooks are kept reasonably up to date. Though they also made the choice to switch to digital textbooks in many schools and now they have discovered that wasn't a good choice, they have studied it here and found that children don't learn as well from screens. Its also been studied elsewhere in the world and there's been some studies that show little difference, and others that show a difference in favour of print. There has also been a significant decline in education in Finland that has occurred alongside the increased digitalisation of the classroom which is a strong correlation at least.

Cyclingmummy1 · 20/05/2025 20:07

From experience, ipads are much more appropriate for primary age than chromebooks.

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