In year school appeal

[Brill1234]

Can anyone help with an in year school appeal?
We are having issues with stalking with is being investigated by the police.
my daughter is in year 7 and I believe the person harassing us has children at her school. We have managed to get a place for my daughter who’s in year 6 a place in a new school for September to start year 7 so I’m having to appeal for a place for my other daughter as the year is full. I have messages from my daughter as evidence that she is suffering with her mental health but nothing from specialist as she doesn’t really feel comfortable talking to anyone. She also lives opposite the new school, literally 30 second walk. The police are not able to provide anything until they do a full investigation which could take months. Her attendance at school isn’t great due to our concerns and her bus route constantly making her late causing her more stress because she’s getting in trouble. Can anyone help on advice on what to put in. I’m worried they will say there isn’t any evidence to prove all this but I don’t have time to wait for evidence to come through as I want to remove from the school as soon as possible!! Thanks

If your main concern if your child's safety than surely moving her to any of the local schools in the area is the priority, rather than specifically to the one that is most convenient for you?

OP has said that other schools are also full.

@Brill1234 if you are not totally sure her kids go to your elder DD’s school, might they be at the school your younger one has applied to?

I am not a panel appeals expert like others on this thread, but it doesn’t seem to me that any threats have actually been made against your DD1 at the current school, you (and she) are anxious they might be, though. Is that correct?

No I know that they go there as I have seen them and the women. The police can’t really do anything for someone phoning SS, they can’t do anything for someone coming to my work, and they can’t really do that much for prank calls. But they believe they are all related so that’s why it’s been classed as stalking. It is not classed as high risk not much is being done at the moment

I’m so sorry for your situation.

Are the kids or the stalker mum saying or doing anything to DD1 at school?

If, however, her attendance is being that negatively impacted, your current head may be prepared to discuss a managed move with the new school's head, which is outside the standard admissions procedures.

That’s a good idea.

She knows what’s going on as the police have had to come round and speak to my children. I have obviously reassure her with everything. Although she hasn’t had any threats and I’ve had none of violence they know what we are doing. Her shoe broke at school and in one report to SS was I send her to school with holes in her shoes. They have made up awful lies (I take drugs/unable to look after my children/abusive) and because SS won’t do anything they’ve gone to the NSPCC. So to me they are a threat as they are trying to have my children taken away

@Brill1234 that's all really difficult for you, but there is no connection with your DD or her school that I can see. She hasn't been stalked, or approached in school, or harassed. That's where I see the problem with your case.

Having said that, if you appeal and the school's case is weak, you could win anyway.

I do believe what you say OP but unfortunately there is currently no evidence at all who the stalker is let alone that her children being at your daughters school is causing your daughter any issues. Your daughters MH would probably be impacted by whats happening anyway not who is doing it and if nothing actually happens at school there are no grounds for an appeal.
The fact that you have 1 child starting in the new school and its so convenient for you could make it look like you are making things up/over stating things to try and get a place. I am not saying you are but it could look like it
Appeals tend to go on facts and evidence and there are none here that you can show them.

Ok, so the stalker is sending malicious reports to social services.

If I was you, I would write a list of every incident in time-order and include it in your appeal, with references to any evidence that you have, e.g. were the police or social services visits discussed in any emails or text messages? If you don't have evidence, the panel will need to understand why. You also need to include the full backstory of your cousin's murder.

In this thread, you have drip-fed information. You can't do that in your appeal.

I suggest you get someone to proof-read your appeal evidence before you submit it to make sure it is easy to follow.

There is so much to the story though that I couldn’t possible go into it on here. I’m waiting for all the data the social services have, dates and what’s been said. They only gave me telephone calls as they could see from what was being said that it was malicious. I have text from the police stating they need to come to speak to the children. I have log numbers and crime number for when I have reported. And a letter saying it’s under investigation. I obviously can’t prove what has been said on the prank calls. I completely understand that they need evidence in just looking for any advise that people could give me on what I can do to help me strengthen my case as I know looking from an outsider it looks weak but to me everything’s there

Yes but she seems quite focussed on getting her into the specific school mentioned, rather than any of the local schools

'I’ve also tried other local schools but I’m in the same position with years being full and with 1 daughter already gaining a place at this school it makes more sense than trying to find a school for 2 children'

You wouldn't need to find a place for two children though, they could just go to different schools (as is current situation)?

It seems like the motivation is more that you'd like them to go to the same school which is over the road, and the stalking issue is being used as a reason?

Because all the schools are full so I could appeal to any school but I’m in the same situation with regards to what can go in the appeal. My 2nd daughter has a place at said school so that’s why I’m focusing on that rather than trying to find a school who can fit 2 children, especially for a year 7 place at the moment as they have ongoing appeals etc for year 7 intakes

I genuinely empathise but having sat on panels I just can't see how this is a) related to your daughter at this time or b) going to be solved by your daughter moving schools because none of the incidents you mention relate to her being at the school (bar the shoe one).

I know it's hard when you're in a situation but objectively, I can't see how you can say that moving school will change anything for your DD.

If you were moving area because of the harassment you were facing and needed a school place for your daughter, that would be slightly different.

You wouldn't need to find a place to fit two children though. They don't need to go to the same school?

Don't know how it works but can you not appeal multiple schools at the same time?

Each school will have its own panel.

I think it’s reasonable for op to prep one appeal at a time. So she’s obviously going to start with her preferred school.

Why would I use it as an excuse. I’ve stated the school she’s at has been brilliant with me and I was happy for my children to go there that’s why I sent her in the first place. Unfortunately this is happening to my family which isn’t nice at all and I’m trying everything to get it to stop. Why would I want to leave my child around people I believe are doing this and have motive to do it. I’ve sent lots of emails to all local authorities and schools so now it’s come down to me having to appeal. My 2nd daughter actually got the school my 1st is at but due to the situation of me not being happy to send her there she gained a place at an alternative school. Of course I want them to go to school together

Can understand that you want them to go to the same school, but this is a 'nice to have' it is not essential.

I think the problem you have here is you have no idea if they have children at your dd1's school. You also have no idea that they might have children at dd2's school.

Is there a solid reasons why you think they have children at dd1's school? If you're going by details known and things like that, then maybe they know a child in her form by a totally different route, or a teacher, or another parent etc. And if you're not moving far, then there's a chance they have the same situation at the second school.

If you're moving her from a good school, to a worse school, then I really would consider things more strongly than this. You have a school that's being supportive, and no evidence that your stalker has a direct connection to. If you move to an unsupportive school and they have just as strong connection then that could go south very quickly.

I know it's not a good situation to be in, but, from what you have written, I'm wondering whether you've convinced yourself that this is a quick fix, but not thought it through.

I know they are at dd1 school because I’ve seen them and it’s quite well known now the situation of what’s happened. I know they have no connection to the other school as we already have other family members at the school so they are aware of who goes there. It’s definitely not a quick fix, it’s been on going for 6 months and it doesn’t seem to be getting better only worse so that’s why I’ve had to get the police involved and try to remove ourselves from any situation to hopefully get this to stop. From what’s being said by most is I don’t stand a chance so I may just have to deal with it and hope a place come up at any other school for her

maybe you dont need to change her school at all

Talk to your current head about a managed move.

UPDATE!!!!!
we won the appeal with all the evidence we submitted!!! Thank you to everyone who gave me support and a little bit of hope when I genuinely didn’t think it would ever work out for us!!!! So so happy!!!
the reports and calls are still being made but hoping the police will start doing something about it!!