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Dame Allans Newcastle - Strikes

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Magpiefan · 14/03/2024 18:27

Did any other DAS parents pick up a copy of the union leaflet about the strikes this morning. A lot more detail of the position than we have received from the school, and the deal being imposed on the teachers is terrible.

The school made out that teachers were asking for something extra when they just don’t want to be stuffed over by having their pension entitlement drastically cut – and fire and rehire, let’s see where that leads us. I’m paying them to give the best education possible to my children, by recruiting the best and well-motivated staff. If the school gets their way this will only end in teachers leaving.

Planning permission for the new sports facilities is readily available on the Newcastle planning portal – it looks like the teachers are going to be stuffed over to pay for it.

Can’t imagine what the atmosphere is like in staff room at the moment.
If you disagree with what is happening suggest you email the principal and governors to tell them. Seem like the teachers have reached the end of the line with negotiations, a bit of parent power might help.

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PrivateSchoolTeacherParent · 15/03/2024 18:34

I teach at a different independent school in the North-East. We are looking on in horror at the Dame Allan's pension proposals. They are far worse than what the other local indies have put together. Several of our current vacancies have had applicants from DAS.

Magpiefan · 16/03/2024 08:53

Doesn’t look like there are many other DAS parents on here but thank you for the info, a non school/union source confirming the info in the union letter is welcome.

Funnily enough since the union parent letter and the immense detail it went into was issued the school hasn’t bothered to refute any of the unions information. I think the growing sense amongst the parents is that this move isn’t necessary.

I’ve heard that there is a growing pupil movement as well, with posters and a 5-page leaflet fully supporting the teachers and severely criticizing the governors for putting buildings above people doing the rounds – I think the pupils should be allowed a say but I hope nobody gets caught.

Parents have started digging, there’s obviously some people who know a lot about financial matters that have been examining the freely available charity commission reports and can’t find any issue with the schools finances. But they don’t detail building expansion plans. If the school has financial problems the parents should have been told and this is making people very angry.

It would seem that since this started the chair of governors and one other governor have resigned. Maybe they had good reason or maybe they didn’t agree with the proposal.

The teachers leaving scenario is very worrying. But probably not unexpected. Makes me think that the governors etc didn't realise this would be a consequence.

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PrivateSchoolTeacherParent · 16/03/2024 09:12

I do wish you well; parent pressure would be extremely helpful. It is in nobody's interests for a big player in the regional sector to be in such turmoil. Despite being "rivals," the big-name schools around the NE see a fair bit of movement of staff between them, especially when middle/senior management jobs come up, and that is good for everyone. And there are quite a few families with DC at different schools who will also be able to compare and contrast.

I also feel sorry for people going to interview for job vacancies at the moment, pension details are rarely included in the job ads (by any school) and will be "confirmed on offer" which means that the applicants are accepting (or not) blindly when there are now increasingly large differences in schools' schemes.

I've now seen the union letter via a friend... wow. Not pulling any punches! It's fascinating what can be found on the charities commission pages.

Magpiefan · 16/03/2024 09:25

Agree with the union letter which, if any of it is untrue, I can't see why the school hasn't put a statement out sayong that.

The pensions offer is amusing - another thing that can be found online are the schools vacancies which in one doc say TPS and another "DAS pension scheme" I don't envy teachers having to work their way through that one or, if asked, the interview panel response.

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PrivateSchoolTeacherParent · 16/03/2024 09:38

A question parents should be asking the governors is, "If the school isn't in financial trouble, why is the offer so much worse than other local independents that are leaving the TPS?" There are another couple of threads where DAS has recently been mentioned, if you want a broader context, such as:

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/education/4935324-pensions-in-private-schools-tps-withdrawal

Magpiefan · 16/03/2024 22:16

PrivateSchoolTeacherParent · 16/03/2024 09:38

A question parents should be asking the governors is, "If the school isn't in financial trouble, why is the offer so much worse than other local independents that are leaving the TPS?" There are another couple of threads where DAS has recently been mentioned, if you want a broader context, such as:

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/education/4935324-pensions-in-private-schools-tps-withdrawal

@PrivateSchoolTeacherParent thanks very much for the link, it's interesting to read teachers take on this. I understand that each situation is unique but it sounds like there are some other pension options that have been sucessfully proposed and agreed that are nowhere near as severe and mean staying in TPS. And as for the question, thank you for that as well. That's ideal for passing round.

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StarshipNCC1701 · 18/03/2024 10:53

I am currently preparing a letter in support of the staff. Would anyone by any chance be able to post the details of what Dame Allans teachers are being offered instead? A copy of the leaflet would be great but if it is too big to post the most important information is the staff contribution rate and the employer contribution rate. Many thanks.

StarshipNCC1701 · 18/03/2024 19:20

Just seen the Chronicle article tonight which runs the quote from the school "Our scheme produces good projections of pension incomes with broadly comparable benefits to the TPS". It also says in the Chronicle that the reduction in Employer contributions will be 40%, which would imply a rate of 14.2%. There are many DC calculators out there such as the one at NEST which produce projections based on this figure. I can't make the NEST calculator produce a figure that is 'broadly in line' with the TPS if I hold member contribution at 9.6% and use an employer contribution of 14.2%!! So if anyone has one of these projections they would be willing to share that would be interesting as well. If you can get the same pension as the TPS with an employer contribution of 14.2% then both NEST and the Government Actuary's department have got all their calculations badly wrong, which I severely doubt is the case.

mylittlemonsters25 · 18/03/2024 19:48

Really sad to see this. I went to Dame Allan's many years ago and it was an excellent school.

LJYoung · 18/03/2024 20:10

To offer further insight into the mood of those within the school, you might be interested to see the attached letter from an anonymous student, entitled "Stand with your teachers"... (Pt1 - 3)

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LJYoung · 18/03/2024 20:11

(Cont) To offer further insight into the mood of those within the school, you might be interested to see the attached letter from an anonymous student, entitled "Stand with your teachers"... (Pt 4 - 6)

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MyZingyFish · 18/03/2024 21:07

LJYoung · 18/03/2024 20:11

(Cont) To offer further insight into the mood of those within the school, you might be interested to see the attached letter from an anonymous student, entitled "Stand with your teachers"... (Pt 4 - 6)

This is unreadable. Please could you repost this in a clearer photo?

Magpiefan · 18/03/2024 22:09

I mentioned this above and then managed to get hold of a copy - not sure if these are any better or if its MN upload thats killing them

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mhas · 19/03/2024 11:15

My kids are starting there this year! I chose it because the staff are lovely and the kids really noticed that in their taster days there. Seems like they’re not treated any better than the state! Without the lovely teachers there’s no benefit in paying the fees …

gills88 · 19/03/2024 13:59

My daughter is starting there on April 16th and will be met for the first time at the gates by striking teachers!

tbh, looking at the desultory offer by the powers that be I am not surprised. I truly hope experienced teachers do not leave as that is why we chose DAS for her…..

DameAllansDebacle · 20/03/2024 13:21

As a parent of a pupil at Dame Allan's - we have been kept firmly in the dark as to what is happening and the scale of unrest. We have heard 'hearsay I may add' that experienced teachers are starting to resign... The school need to address this fast

WhathaveIdoneagain · 20/03/2024 15:25

I am not a parent or teacher in Dame Allan's, but I hope a resolution is soon found. It is a wonderful school and an asset to our local community.

BigBananaBox · 20/03/2024 15:36

I’m fortunate to have a little bit of knowledge about this. Apologies if this is egg sucking for anyone, the below is 90% research and reading and 10% supposition.

The deal mentioned above by @StarshipNCC1701 is correct, as is the statement about how bad the deal is. Don’t forget though that according to the school the DC scheme is "comparable" and I’d like to see that fully defined by the school as the calcs I’ve worked through show an approx. £6k to £15k reduction in pension for an average DAS teacher (not being unkind, but most of the DAS teachers are seasoned professionals rather than newly qualified) should they sign up to it. Using the profile of a younger member of staff the forecast was for circa £25k less per year.

The reason that the school isn’t giving out info is that they really don’t know what to do as I think they just thought it would be a breeze to get this through, without realising that teachers, by the very nature of their profession, tend to be “quite” clever, especially with things like economics and maths.

Staff were given the option of signing up to the bloody awful DC pension scheme and I think it’s safe to say that from the numbers of striking teachers those that did were in a small minority.

I believe that option is still open but before going to fire and rehire, by law, there have to be consultation meetings held, where staff get to air their views and ask questions, these will be no doubt be ongoing now. From the Union comment about lack of information from the school, whether answers to questions will be given is yet to be seen.

From the dates I’ve been able to work out the descision to fire and rehire will probably have to be made by governors either late this week or early next week after all of the meetings have taken place and staff have fed back their views to the Governing body. This estimated timescale is based on the fact that any new contract have to be issued to staff before the end of term.

This is also the time when the governors can A) back down B) offer better terms or C) forge ahead with fire and rehire

A) is self explanatory – this all ends and everyone goes back to being relatively friendly, although the friendly bit is probably totally untrue as any trust in the Governors will have been obliterated.

B) opens up negotiations, something that I understand has been a little lacking on the part of the school but the timescale, if this fails, to go to option C) is very short. I have no doubt that the unions will be on the end of a phone waiting for a call to go in – whether that call comes is another thing all together. Or if it does come and the revised offer is still removal from TPS then it’s doubtful it will be accepted.

C) is where it gets interesting. As of the end of the spring term any staff who have not signed up to the “bloody awful DC pension scheme” and have been issued a new fire and rehire contract are on a terms notice. That means that they have 3 options, they can either: sign the new contract under the new terms of the “bloody awful……..(you get my drift); return to the school in September and work under protest (usually a precursor to an employment tribunal case); or just simply don’t return. The last one might sound drastic but don’t forget the school has issued a contractually binding terms notice to end the previous contract. So unless they sign a new contract they have no job and they don’t have to say if they are returning or not.

So if your child returns to DAS in September to find the front of the classroom empty you’ll know what has happened.

Resignations – yes. 7 so far I understand.

Actively searching for jobs outside DAS – yes, as confirmed on MN by a teacher at another NE independent school.

Looking to not return (as mentioned in option C) and chance their hand at career break, other jobs or to retire – probably yes.

With the strength of feeling that was running through the staff that were out on the picket lines yesterday the governors seem to be playing Russian roulette but with a bullet in 5 out of 6 chambers.

Don’t forget the teachers’ pension reduction proposal is being pushed through while there is a planning application in for a new development – would you want your benefits package to be reduced to pay for a new sports field?? Even the local community are supporting the teachers as they don’t want the new sports facility either!!

DameAllansDebacle · 20/03/2024 19:04

Thank you Bigbannanabox that was every helpful indeed.i am wondering what parents can do to support staff. I’d rather my son continues to have excellent teaching than a new sports field

BigBananaBox · 20/03/2024 20:19

DameAllansDebacle · 20/03/2024 19:04

Thank you Bigbannanabox that was every helpful indeed.i am wondering what parents can do to support staff. I’d rather my son continues to have excellent teaching than a new sports field

The best thing I can suggest is to contact the school and tell them your thoughts, you are, after all, the paying customer.

There should be generic email addresses such as communication@ or office@ on the schools website but probably the best and most effrctive approach is to email your child’s form tutor/class teacher with your thoughts and ask them to forward your message to the relevant people i.e chair of governors & principle/head and to copy you in when they do so, just so you know your message has, indeed, been sent on.

Please encourage other parents to do the same, I don’t think you will ever know the level of appreciation and gratitude that the staff have for parents who stand up for them.

And just to correct the above - I'm hearing that resignations now = 9. (not100% verified though)

surreygirl1987 · 20/03/2024 22:48

Wow. This is horrendous. It's hard enough to recruit and retain decent teachers as it is. Can anyone share the specifics of the pension 'offer', out of interest?

Hellomum75 · 21/03/2024 10:18

I have 2 children in the school and am so concerned about this situation. We chose to send our children to this school as we felt it offered the best education combined with excellent pastoral care and a family environment. I feel like this has been wiped out and am contemplating looking into other schools.

mhas · 21/03/2024 15:27

I feel your pain! It makes no sense for an employer to behave in this way. If they can no longer afford the TPS (which has happened to other independent schools and no doubt will happen to the state itself in time!) they surely must have realised that staff would not accept a far inferior pension offering? Perhaps they over estimated their importance as an employer and assumed staff would have to accept it 🤷‍♀️