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School fees going up loads! Anyone else?!

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Abuildingwith4wallsandtmrinsid · 30/03/2022 16:33

Regular poster who has name changed for this post.

My DC’s school is putting up school fees by over 7 per cent from September 2022 for existing parents, more for incomers.
Is this the norm now?!! I realise prices are going up but shouldn’t they try and contain costs/be as lean as possible? Apparently they need to build their bursary funds and go green. We have tons of parents who already struggle with the fees.
Other DC thankfully in state school. I don’t think it is good value this whole private school thing. But once your kid is there you are trapped.

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AnotherNewt · 31/03/2022 16:36

Price is a fundamental term of the contract so how will that work with notice periods usually at the start of next term? If price goes up significantly under common law you have the right to rescind the contract?

That is why schools always announce their fees for the next year before Easter, so that any parents who do not wish to continue into that year still have the opportunity to give notice on time.

TheNameOfTheRoses · 31/03/2022 16:37

@itrytomakemyway which just shows that not all areas are the same and not all private schools are the same.

TheNameOfTheRoses · 31/03/2022 16:40

@AnotherNewt yes our school reduced the fees in 2020 because of the first lockdown. And we had some of that money back.

They still increased the price but with a clear message that they knew things were hard and if any parent had financial issue to contact them so they could organise something.

ProseccoStorm · 31/03/2022 16:41

Ours is up circa 10%, which feels a touch painful tbh

DonGray · 31/03/2022 16:46

8.5% here

ethelredonagoodday · 31/03/2022 16:50

@BlackberrySky

Pop down to SW London OP. Our state schools are not crumbling to bits and full of miserable teachers and kids with mental health issues. There really is more choice than just the worst of the state system or private school.
This, albeit we are 'ooop north'...

Love the suggestion that all state school are somehow like Grange Hill, with dilapidated buildings and miserable staff. Some may be, but plenty are not.

carefullycourageous · 31/03/2022 19:27

@Abuildingwith4wallsandtmrinsid

I think you misunderstood me - I meant you were being illogical. I think the schools, which are businesses and care primarily about their bottom line, are being logical in raising prices because they know that mugs parents will continue to pay.

Ericaequites · 01/04/2022 06:15

Private school tuition has gone up in both relative and absolute terms. In 1988, secondary tuition at my old school was equal to the cost of an economy sedan. Now, secondary school tuition there is equal to the cost of a full size luxurious sedan.

The school has offered lots of scholarships to girls not ready for a rigorous academic program. The private school has stopped offering AP classes, does not offer algebra to eight graders, and offers pre algebra to ninth graders. The culture and behavior standards are much lower than when I was there
My local state school spends about 60% of the private school per child, as we have high busing costs. It offers eighth grade algebra to 20% of students, AP courses with high pass rates, and is in excellent condition. Our town has a striving and low poverty population. I could spend an imaginary child there, and afford a decent horse, Scouts with lots of camp, and other cultural opportunities.

WombatChocolate · 01/04/2022 16:52

We’re getting a 5% increase.

It’s higher than it’s been for a couple of years, but given the other costs that are rising not unexpected.

To the OP, independent education is a free market - prices are determined by demand and supply and what people will pay. As an individual parent, you take it or leave it. To enter the market without having done due diligence and understood these kind of increases are entirely normal, is a failure of reseearch.

It’s a luxury product, not a service provided to meet a social or moral end.

If people choose to make sacrifices in other areas in order to pay fees, that’s up to them. If the fees and the increase push them into financial difficulty, that’s down to the families to sort out, not the school. This is not like some other essential service which society has a duty to ensure people an access - Richi Sunak might need to intervene to help make fuel bills more accessible or to to help those with big council tax rises, but school fees are not comparable. Everyone has the free state option available to them.

Yes, people leave schools becaue they can’t afford the fees. It happens and people have to be aware of what they will don’t in financial difficulties before they start. It’s foolishness not to and you have to be prepared to leave if you need to, in the same way, you have to sell your house if you can’t pay the mortgage on an ongoing basis.

Many schools will help out if there’s a temporary crisis such as job loss and give some kind of short term bursary or spread the fees over a lomger payment. But this is in response to a crisi and not just general unaffordabilty.

And then people pulling out get agitated about the notice periods. They are very clear. Schools need them because costs and staffing are set by now for next year. People leaving can cost countless thousands over several years if the places are not filled. Schools have to mitigate these losses.

It doesn’t matter why people choose to go private. It could be SEN or social needs or any other kind of thing. These don’t mean the school have a duty ir requirement to orifice the service at an affordable price. It’s a business and when you can’t afford you stop availing yourself of the service.

Of course, times of high inflation will make school fees go up more. We can expect this for a few year. Fees can easily triple when increases are compounded, in a few short years. Add in some increases from one stage to another and the fees someone starts paying at 4 or at 7 or 11, can easily be doubled ir more by the end. As others have said, plotting ahead for different price increases compounded is vital planning stuff.

In my mind I always worked on 5% as the norm. There were years, perhaps 10-12 years ago when increases were regularly close to 10%. Since the finacial crisis there have been a number of years of closer to 3%. They always rise. You should expect them always to rise. It’s what you’ve chosen.

Abuildingwith4wallsandtmrinsid · 01/04/2022 17:08

@Ericaequites- are you in the United States and if so, in which state? It sounds like your school district is very good. Do you pay a lot of local taxes that are invested in the school district?

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Abuildingwith4wallsandtmrinsid · 01/04/2022 17:18

@WombatChocolate - I only have the one DC in the independent sector. He is diabetic and a gifted mathematician and sportsman (but with an autism diagnosis- formerly ADHD and Aspergers). The independent school could at 11 cater to his needs - he could play sports supervised which would help with his ADHD (even if he forgot about his sugar requirements due to being forgetful/disorganised) and he was sent to A-level maths classes age 13 because that was where he was at.
We can afford the fees for him but I think I am going to send him to the super-selective grammar for Sixth Form now. He has matured somewhat. The added value will no longer be worth £20,000 plus a year as it will no longer be a matter of life and death. He nearly died after a sports match in Year 6.
I expected the school fees to rise, yes, but reasonably so, in line with inflation. I do not like the way the school is heading so I will be taking my DC out. It has become too corporate for me and I do not feel loyalty to the school due to them treating certain long standing staff badly. I am not impressed with the management team at all, nor the governors. I am sure they won’t care either way apart from the fact that they have already labelled him Oxbridge, which I do not believe will be right for him in any event, nor do I like the pressure they are putting on in this regard to up their stats.

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Abuildingwith4wallsandtmrinsid · 01/04/2022 18:39

And I am sorry but I do not believe that most independent schools were like this 20 odd years ago. Yes, you had to pay the fees but there wasn’t this huge marketing machine that drove everything and huge turnover of staff. There was more focus on actual teaching, teacher wellbeing, the pupils etc rather than status and league tables and swanky buildings for brochures.
And even if you do your “research”, when they market on the open day nobody is going to tell you how cut throat the whole thing can be and how careerist some of the management team are and hypocritical. Hopefully it is not like this at all schools and our school just took a turn for the worse! Lots of staff certainly seem to think so and so do many parents. A school is a community not a business. I will not change my views in that regard. If I ran a school, I would be seeking parental, teacher/other staff and pupil input on all important matters via surveys, constantly. And I would communicate constantly - that is where I would focus my efforts, not on constant marketing which is what our headmaster does. I would leave that to highly competent admissions staff.

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WombatChocolate · 01/04/2022 19:25

It’s a competitive market. Lots of schools have closed down or merged. Expectations are high and schools need to work hard to attract the fee paying customer. With social media and the internet, making comparisons is easier and like anything else, you need to attract customers and keep them. Brand image is important.

To be honest, I think it’s a little naieve to say schools are communities and not businesses. In reality they are both. Governors and leadership teams have a duty to ensure the school is secure for the future. They have to keep a firm eye on this as well as delivering for the current children.

It’s interesting about what you say you’d do. The independent schools I’ve known do huge amounts of consulting snd communication. There are constantly surveys, focus groups, opportunities for kids and parents to comment on things and then letters telling ‘you said…we did’ to show that the school listened. Lots of it is about being seen to be listening and acting, but I think the schools want to be seen to really listen and act and encourage parents to comment and ask for things. They see this is the way to success now and in future.

Fees are expensive and there are always some parents who feel disappointed. This is the case in state schools too, but oerhaos the feeling is more a cute when people have paid and especially if it’s involved significant sacrifices. Sometimes it’s quite simply that a child’s experience academically or socially or extra-curicularly hasn’t been what parents hoped for and they hold the school responsible. Sometimes that’s valid and sometimes the child themselves is such that some of those expectations were unrealistic. There can be tensions around moving onto the next school or university and techniques used, pressures applied (or not applied) and expectations and requirements. Sometimes family values and approach to education are just not in line with that of the school. Sometimes that’s because the school has changed and sometimes it’s that the parents didn’t really look closely at the ethos or closed their eyes to bits they thought might not affect them - I think particularly of where there are entrance requirements to get to the next stage and a number of students each year don’t meet them, but no one entering the process likes to consider what will happen if that’s their kids.

Marketing is definitely a bigger thing than it was 20 years ago. Big branding, social media presence etc is important for awareness and recruitment. It’s the way of the world and schools which don’t engage with this are likely to be the ones who suffer and struggle, even if we don’t like these aspects.

Turnover of staff differs a lot. Some schools do have high turnover snd you’re right it’s not a good sign. An amount is usual in the first 2 or 3 years after a new Head and of course some amount is always normal, but really high levels are not good. But this isn’t widespread.lots of independent schools have pretty stable staff and many who are extremely long serving. I think that perhaps it’s important to recognise that your experience and your feelings are not necessarily typical.

People do leave. They leave part way through the year and at the end of the year before the end of a phase of schooling. They leave to go to other independents and to state schools and to go abroad. Schools know it’s normal. They know that some families will be disgruntled and that even when they try to address their concerns, there will always be some who remain dissatisfied and will leave. They accept that. For most schools, the odd person feeling like that isn’t really a problem and inevitable. Obviously if it’s loads, especially in small schools, it is a bigger problem.

We like to think that the schools love and fret about our child. That’s the job of parents. I think most do work hard to secure good outcomes for the many children in their care, and they do look to create an enjoyable and effective experience and to make good which feels like something extra is provided for the fees which would t be gained in the state sector. To a point there can be some tailoring of the experience, but that’s to a limited degree because in all schools, each child is one of many. When that child leaves, either at the end of education, or part-way through, the school simply keeps going. There is another school year and another set of children and issues to deal with. On lots of levels, schools are sausage factories.

But you’re obviously not happy with you school and in that situation, if you’ve raised the issues and felt no joy, then it’s right to go. But I don’t think all schools have the issues you mention and most parents don’t seem to feel what you do, to the point of withdrawing. But I hope you find more what you’re looking for elsewhere.

BobbinHood · 01/04/2022 19:29

You’re criticising the system which you are propping up by choosing to send your child to private school. It’s pretty naive to fall for the charity stuff - they only use that argument to keep the tax benefits of charitable status, in reality it’s a nonsense and these are businesses.

Ericaequites · 02/04/2022 00:46

@Abuildingwith4wallsandtmrinsid. I am in the United States, and live in Rhode Island. 70% of property taxes locally go to the schools. I pay about 2 % of fair market value annually in property taxes with my owner occupier discount.

Porcupineintherough · 02/04/2022 07:01

Well I agree that state schools are chronically underfunded and the teachers in most have been horribly overstretched during COVID.

itrytomakemyway · 02/04/2022 07:17

OP, you think that SLT in state schools are not careerist? Think again. You should see how many SLT are people with just a few years experience in the classroom. There are many so desperate to climb the greasy pole that they get up it as fast as they can .

You think experienced, well qualified teachers are not leaving state schools? Again, think again. In many schools there is an exodus of teachers - often driven out by said ambitious SLT because they are too expensive, or because they are burnt out. Staff turnover is high in many state schools. Younger staff also burnt out and quitting. This is why so many want to get onto SLT as soon as they can - to escape the relentless workload of the classroom.

And now you are going to move your son into a super selective state sixth form/ Lets hope he isn't taking the place of another student who has gone through the state system with none of the advantages of a privately educated student. No level playing fields here.

AnotherNewt · 02/04/2022 07:22

COVID showed up the difference - because of which could afford an early and effective switch to online.

One local school here, known for good bursary provision, checked all its partial and full bursary holders circumstances and gave laptops and grants for broadband where needed. State schools just can't afford to do things like that.

IamSamantha · 02/04/2022 07:32

It's not as if you're facing your house being repossessed or can't afford to eat now is it. How and why should you expect a business to absorb inflation costs at the detriment to its service when it's not essential.

Private schools are businesses OP, not charities.

HateNosyNeighbours · 02/04/2022 07:37

Oh well. You’ll just have to join us plebs at state schools.

zaffa · 02/04/2022 07:50

@Thursday37

Our nursery fees went up 8% this year. Not quite the same as school fees I know but it’s similar. Much bigger increase than usual anyway. It’s very difficult.
Ours went up 17%, and this was before the energy increases. I'm expecting similar next year really
Abuildingwith4wallsandtmrinsid · 02/04/2022 08:01

Are government raising state school funding by 7per cent this year then? @IamSamantha - do you expect the state schools to absorb inflation costs?
Most of my kids are in the state sector. This one DC was in the state sector but switched due to health issues for what will now be Years 7-11. He is going back. He could have gone to the grammar age 11, but his health issues were out of control and we didn’t want to put him through 11 plus at the time. Nor did the Council want to fund him properly, so rather then fight for him when we were very stressed about him nearly dying twice, we moved him to the independent sector. We can afford the fees for him, but are choosing no longer to do so. Yes, we are high earners and pay our 40 and 45 per taxes. We believe our children and all children are entitled to a good education - we certainly pay the taxes for it. Our local comp has gone through a rough patch. Our local state primary is amazing. SLT and teaching staff have been there for years and are very dedicated. SLT spent 20 plus years teaching first.

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Indoctro · 02/04/2022 08:05

I think you need to be sure you can afford private fees.

We looked at it and on both wages it's easily affordable.

We thought if one person lost their job could we easily still pay and the answer was no , it would be a stretch so to us we cannot afford it.

So our kids go to state school.

If you are worried about inflation you can't afford it.

Abuildingwith4wallsandtmrinsid · 02/04/2022 08:19

Sorry to hear about everyone else going through steep rises too, especially nursery fees. This impacts women so much. I just don’t get why childcare fees aren’t more tax deductible, like in many other countries.

I am also worried about what will happen with care home fees.

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WaterBottle123 · 02/04/2022 08:20

It's hilarious you think private schools are charities, not rich person clubs exploiting charitable status, teaching their pupils a life time of tax avoidance.