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How do you find out whether creationism is taught in a primary school? or given as much credence as evolution?

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Enid · 25/04/2007 09:44

because it will irritate me if dd1s C of E prmary does this

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Blandmum · 25/04/2007 15:59

Mine go to a private C of E school. While creationism is taught in RE, along with other creation beliefs in the major faith systems, it isn't taught in science.

TBH I'm not sure how much of the creation of the universe/evolution comes into the KS1/2 curricula, I'll have a shufti......

Blandmum · 25/04/2007 16:10

the science curriculum at ks1 and 2

I've had a quick scan of parts that I thought creationism could link in but cannot find it listed anywhere.

hth

idlemum · 25/04/2007 16:29

Quite agree Unquietdad - they'll be teaching them that the earth is flat next !

aig · 25/04/2007 19:46

As a died in the wool Anglican Christian , I would say that creationism is no part of mainstream Christianity. As a governor in a C of E secondary school I would go to the barricades to prevent it being taught as anything other than a Christian deviation (in RE).
As it is neither scientific nor Christian I see no place for it in any school.
(Today I pin my colours to the mast.....)

Bambiraptor · 25/04/2007 19:56

Being religious and accepting the facts of evolution are NOT mutually exclusive and I have never come across a school in this country that thinks otherwise.
All state schools have to teach the national Curriculum regardless of their religious status.

Hulababy · 25/04/2007 19:59

I would expect it to be covered in a religious school TBH, as part of the rest of the religious aspects of the school. Bt I would also expect other beliefs, inc evolution to be discussed - and other religions.

lou031205 · 13/05/2007 20:23

I am surprised that creationism can cause so much concern, to be honest. I think that it is probably somehow easier to believe that we are all here by accident than that we were created, for some, but actually, as a parent you have the right to challenge the information your children receive at school, at home with them.

As a committed (dare I say it Free Church, bible believing) Christian, I believe that Christianity is the only faith that leads to salvation.

BEFORE you yell at me, my child will be sent to a state school, where I am sure that she will be taught that all faiths lead to paradise. I wouldn't expect different, and certainly won't exclude it from her ears.

If they don't hear it at school, they will hear it somewhere else, whatever it is!

Beanfrog · 16/05/2007 16:02

Just remember you are legally entitled to withdraw your child from religious education and worship, if you so wish. Then you don't have to worry about what stories are being taught as fact.

KTeePee · 16/05/2007 16:33

When I went to look around a (Catholic) secondary school last year, they had something on these lines on the wall in the RE department:

Some Christians believe in Creationism but most Christians believe in Evolution but that God had a part to play in it

Made me feel a hell of a lot better about the school.....

pointydog · 16/05/2007 16:53

surely at a church school, there are elements of religion being treated as fact?

Thought that was the whole point.

beckybrastraps · 16/05/2007 17:05

It wasn't stated as fact. Or at least the fact stated was 'most Christians believe God had a hand in evolution' (, but not the point here), not 'God had a hand in evolution'.

DominiConnor · 18/05/2007 17:11

I think there is a big difference between Creationism and the Christian belief that God created everything. Until recently the Catholic church actually denounced creationism as dishonest.
You may not be a catholic, but that does rather indicate the problems of reconciling it with any process that has intellectual integrity.

Creationism implies a stupid, dishonest God, which may be true, but ain't Christianity.

Creationism makes various dishonest claims about evolution in order to discredit it. Note I say "dishonest", not "stupid" or incorrect. The assertions are so often clearly wrong that any moderately educated person could not believe them.
Creationists also claims that there is evidence for their position. Again, it is of low quality, indeed so low that all by itself is significant.
Some real biologists are Christians, they could presumably come up with better lies and half truths, they might even come up with valid points.
But they don't.
Even the most bizarre consipracy theory, or pseudo science like homoepathy typically has something that can be taken as fact at it's core.
By drawing simple diagrams, and using GCSE maths I've proved to some former believers in homoeopathy that it's a scam.
You can't do that with Creationists, they regard the truth as a kind of pollution, and not that the "truth shall set you free", or pmore accurately they do believe that truth is the root of freedom and since they don't like freedom, attack the truth.

Creationism doesn't.
That's because it isn't a view of the world, it's a way of not thinking about the world, and helping Christian parents deal with the way that their kids know things they don't want them to.

harrisey · 20/05/2007 04:39

there's a lot of posts on here saysing 'the evangelicals ....' beleive in creationism and want it taught in schools.

Well, I'm an evangelical, at an evangelical Bible College, who goes to an evangelical church, and I think I know 2 people who think this. And one of them is a literal 7 day creationist so just not worth listening to ....

Don't tar us all with the same brush. Though I believe the bible is true (which is what 'evangelical' actually means) it doesnt mean that I cant beleive that some of it is in figurative language and might even be religious myth.

SueBaroo · 20/05/2007 20:51

Isn't it '6' day creation if it's biblical?

tbh, I think it's perfectly sensible to be asking exactly what your kids are learning, whatever the topic. I always having conversations with people who have suddenly discovered something their kids are being taught that they weren't aware of and weren't happy about.

We HE, so it's something we escape, but should we ever use a school, I'd certainly want to investigate the curriculum, and I come from the complete opposite end of the spectrum about this issue.

They're your kids.

harrisey · 20/05/2007 21:39

SueBaroo, isnt the rest part of creation, the re-creation before the next 6 days

just being facetious! I had a run in recently with the teacher about RE - myself adn my dh had been baptised by full ommersion adn kids dedicated on the Sunday. On Monday, dd1 wanted to write about it in her 'news' story but the teacher said she had never heard about 'dedicatioon' and wanted her to write that SHE had been baptised.
Cue tearful dd, fizzing mad mummy and rather contrite teacher after I spoke to her in no uncertain terms. They wouldnt have tried to do this to a child of another religion, so why shoudl my dd's special day be misunderstood? Silly school!

SueBaroo · 21/05/2007 22:21

harrisey, only just seen your response here.

wanders off, tittering about re-creation

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