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Tell me everything you know about Steiner schools/philosophy

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Pruni · 15/10/2006 09:45

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Chandra · 15/10/2006 21:07

Damn, I should have known about the spiders Pruni! I could have carried my child in the space left by my jaw hitting the ground.

Chandra · 15/10/2006 21:10

BTW, after reading the biggest part of the 200 messages in the other thread I don't think we need another Steiner bashing.

NotQuiteCockney · 15/10/2006 21:24

Chandra, you've mentioned this anti-artifact person before, right? Or are there two MN people who know anti-artifact mums?

And where do you live that you have a Steiner school, and anti-artifact friend, and someone with a horse and buggy?

Chandra · 15/10/2006 21:38

YEs. it was me, our local steiner school and I can see the horse cart pass in front of my window once a week. I meet the woman of the cart at an "introduction to Homeopathy" workshop, she was the teacher.

As for the anti artifacted one, as I informed in one of the other threads she swallowed her words when her baby was 6 months and her back was killing her. By the time I was already bored/sick of such greenery so I have not had more contact with her.

fortyplus · 16/10/2006 09:26

A friend has taken her child out of our excellent local State Primary and sent him to Kings Langley Stener School instead - about 10 months ago if I remember correctly. He's turned from unhappy, withdrawn kid having to be forcibly dragged into school to outgoing, happy, chatty and looking forward to school every day.
She says loads of the parents are hippy types and she finds it a bit weird at times - especially when she found out that she had to pick her 8 year old up at 1pm three days a week - but basically he is so happy she doesn't care!
One of my other friends teaches French to A level at the same school and speaks very highly of it. One of my brother's friends (now aged 43) was a 'loser' in the state system and got sent to KL Steiner. He ended up doing a PhD in Physics and went to the US to work on the Space Shuttle programme. Now he's a Professor of Physics doing a research project at the University of Texas.
I'd never send my kids to Steiner, but it clearly works for those that buy in to the philosophy.
I'll be interested to see whether anyone posts a first-person 'bad' Steiner experience on this thread.

beegee · 16/10/2006 09:33

LOL jaw hitting ground!!

I had a close friend who was very interested in sending her ds to a Steiner school. When she looked into it thoroughly (ie looking round one, researching their philosophies, speaking to adults who were brought up on Steiner education) she has decided against it.

I recall her saying that some of Steiners philosophies were racist I'm sure that they aren't overtly racist now, but i think when he was originally conceiving concepts he was a racist.I would love to know if Steiner schools are populated by mostly middle class, white children.

There were other reasons she cited - can't honestly remember now. Could speak to her and find out if anyone interested.

beegee · 16/10/2006 09:38

I do remeber her saying that once you start in a Steiner sch you need to stay in the system as the time frame for learning is very different.

fortyplus · 16/10/2006 09:44

Hi beegee - don't think they're at all racist now - I can't imagine either of my friends having anything to do with them if they were. As for the middle-class bit - OH YES!!! But I suppose you have to be to afford the fees, don't you? Having said that, apparently the school has had financial problems because they have a philosophy that no child should have to leave because of financial difficulties. So basically some people pay the first term's fees then plead poverty! I think they're having a bit of a crack down now, though. My friend says the other thing she finds odd is how many of them have about 5 kids - in society these days it's a rarity, but apparently loads of the Steiner parents have large families.

kittylette · 16/10/2006 10:09

never heard of steiner schools

what are they?

WereWABBITT · 16/10/2006 10:23

It's true there are some very extreme versions of the Steiner ethos, and 'naturalness' is a fundamental part of the education system

Children are educated with an awareness of nature around them, growing foods throughout the seasons - relating to the changes of life throughout the year.

Reading is not (or not in my experience) actively discouraged before the age of seven, but it isn't part of the waldorf curriculum - fine motor skills are developed and the use of water colours and crafts and woodwork skills help towards this - even in early years education.

Movement and music and a word-movement discipline called Eurithmy develop gross motor skills - and the spirit in equal measure

Emotional expression and learning through play, the freedom of the childs spirit and her/his place within nature are what I see as the basis of a Steiner/Waldorf education

Academically - Steiner children are in no way disadvantaged, I am studying at Warwick and one of the young Post Grads is from a Steiner background - her critical skills just amaze me.

I am hoping to qualify as a Steiner Kindergarten teacher after graduating from Warwick.

Addressing the idea that integration is difficult for Steiner children - I really think this depends upon the household the children live in. It's true the more outlandishly 'green' and eco warrior types lean towards a Steiner education for their children - but then I've never encountered this - all my Steiner friends are Professionals who are rebelling against the aquisitive comercialism that is rampaging through society.

PMSL at the horse and trap and artefact too

Pruni · 16/10/2006 10:33

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NotQuiteCockney · 16/10/2006 10:36

Steiner's original philosophy did include some overt racism, but I'm quite sure none of the schools stick to that bit!

WereWABBITT · 16/10/2006 10:45

Pruni - my understanding is that these were Montessori and Steiner ideas that were adopted throughout the 50s and 60s, sadly they've been elbowed out by the dominance of Literacy and Numeracy now (I wish I could remember Music and Movement - I was at primary school in the 70s and remember it existing but I don't think our school 'did' it.

Pruni · 16/10/2006 10:53

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WereWABBITT · 16/10/2006 11:00

Oh I think it's linked to not constraining the spirit of the child and forcing them away from play too early - reading is part of being in a world of definites - storytelling is very encouraged but defining things as absolutes is seen to discourage the development of imagination and spirit

webcrone · 16/10/2006 11:01

Pruni - the not reading before 7 thing is based on what we (think) we know about brain development. Pre-7 is predominantly right hemispheric development (whole form, imagination etc), 7+ and there's a lot more left-hemispheric development. Learning to read and write uses left hemispere so the underpinning theory is that around 7 the child is better equipped to learn to read and write and also that by NOT doing this earlier the right hemisphere functions get a chance to more fully develop.

sunnydelight · 16/10/2006 11:02

Pruni - if you are interested in Human Scale Education have a look at www.hse.org.uk, it gives a list of schools involved (including some montessoris) and background info for the movement. The schools will obviously vary hugely, but the two I have experience of have more of the "alternative" and less of the "wierd" if you know what I mean!

Pruni · 16/10/2006 11:04

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Pruni · 16/10/2006 11:06

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fortyplus · 16/10/2006 11:20

Hi Pruni - I can remember 'Music & movement'and the radio programme. Don't know how many ancient & wrinkled specimens do mumsnet, though -I'm 45 so must have done M&M in about 1971. The one I remember was all about being a tree swaying in the wind... suspect Dawn French must have done a sketch about it at some time - she's about the same age as me!

shrub · 16/10/2006 11:25

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WereWABBITT · 16/10/2006 11:26

ah - thanks webcrone

WereWABBITT · 16/10/2006 11:31

Which school was this Shrub?

fortyplus · 16/10/2006 11:32

ps Kittylette - sorry - not ignoring you. You've probably got a pretty good idea now, buut if not then take a look at their website.
You will hear funny stories from the misinformed - stuff like 'Oh yes - that's where the kids are all allowed to do what they like/choose whether or not to go to lessons/they're all thick' etc. As you can tell from the likes of WereWabbit, this is very far from the truth. I do think that less academic children would find it a more comfortable environment than the state system, but I also believe that the 'brainy' Steiner kids seem to learn to be more accepting of those less able than themselves. I'm no expert as my kids are at a state school, but I've heard nothing but positive comment from those who have attended Steiner - I don't think people would send their kids there in the first place without being happy with the philosophy & methods. It's not an easy option - the kids start work as soon as they arrive - no wishy-washy 'relious based assemblies' or 'carpet time'. At Kings Langley they have an assembly once a term, apparently.

shrub · 16/10/2006 11:34

Hi WereWabbit - I would rather not say as I still live nearby and everyone's experience is different.