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Seeking opinions from scottish mums.

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figleaf · 18/09/2006 16:19

We live in Bristol, my house is on the market but before Christmas we hope to relocate with DH work to the Stirling, Bridge of Allan, Dunblain area. My 2 boys (1 "normal", 1 very clever but with physical special needs)seem OK with the idea. They currently go to a catholic school but Id like to know what you think about schools Catholic or nondenominational in that area. So far I have found out that in Dunblane everyone goes to non denominational schools but do extra RE lessons but in Bridge of Allan the Catholic kids either go to Bridge of Allan school or to St Marys in Stirling (75 kids on roll so cant be all of them). Stirling seems more complicated as there are a lot more schools of both flavours.
Well buy a house whereever the school is that we think would best suit our boys.Our son with special needs is our biggest concern as he doesnt write but uses a computer. Well have 330K (ish) max to buy with. Ive posted about aspects of my move before and been given ace links to on line house buying sites and HMI reports for Scottish schools.Any thoughts/advice on good areas, good schools, dirt/gossip good or bad would be really useful.
Also Scotland is a big country. My DH will work in Cumbernauld (but I wont live there) so are there any other really lovelly places near by (ish)that I should be considering?

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figleaf · 24/09/2006 16:43

I didnt think you were minimising Kristina - Ive got that link and am getting quite excited that we're heading up on Thursday night. Staying till Monday evening so I should know alot more before I get back here.

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Nightingale99 · 28/09/2006 00:32

Hello there everyone. I have stumbled upon your very interesting discussion re: housing/schooling in Stirling area (I was googling for an HMI report on Riverside primary). I am a mum of 2 (girl 5 boy 3 sorry don't know the shortened way) and I live in Alva, Clackmannanshire - the next village along from Menstrie. We moved here 18 months ago for work and have had mixed feelings about where we live. On the one hand, yes the hills are beautiful and it's very central so good for commuting, the town is without a doubt a very friendly one (I have been made to feel really welcome here) and the school is well run and seems to have good literacy and numeracy standards (and children seem v happy), but on the other hand, like bogwobbit says, there is "trouble with youths" as in Menstrie......and a rundown feel to certain parts. This is reflected in house prices and you can certainly find cheaper housing in this neck of the woods.

We sadly though are fed up with the "youth problem" around where we live and are looking to move - we've been looking at Causewayhead which has Riverside as its catchment school. One Mum mentioned that her daughter is in P2 there just now but had had a year of P1 in Bridge of Allan. I just wondered whether anyone could elaborate on their experience of Riverside is in general as well as whether anyone is having difficulty getting to and from it ie down Causewayhead Road as it seems so busy? I had looked at a placing request for BofA but I called the council this week and it is full to capacity and always will be as it serves the University of Stirling so always has extra pressure to fill places. It would be so much easier to get there though, but we just can't afford the BofA prices.....

Also as my wee boy is only 3, I would need to find a childminder in the Riverside area so he could go to playgroup and she could be picked up from school. Could anyone help me with their opinion on Riverside as I don't want to move my kids if the school's not great shakes and it's a nightmare to get to. I'd be glad to share any local information I have about the Clacks area and what I am currently experiencing househunting in the stirling area. Thanks.

Sorry to have rambled so long but I've been worrying about this so much.

colette · 28/09/2006 17:43

Nightingale99 sorry to butt in , but we have been considering moving to stirling and were looking at properties ( on line in a tenantive way) in cambusbarron. We wondered if there was a 2youth" pproblem tere as well , as there seemed to be loads of teenagers hanging about, otherwise it seemed quite nice. So can anyone tell me what it is really like ?
Keep all the Stirling info going please there is nothing like hearing how places really are from people that live there..

colette · 28/09/2006 17:44

and goodluck figleaf and nightingale99

gomez · 28/09/2006 18:03

Nightingale99 - I am the mum with the daughter now at Riverside who had been at BoFA. Although it is early days I much prefer the school at Riverside - smaller classes, much better communication to-date, work tailored to my daughters needs rather than a one size fits all at BoFA and to be honest a more 'normal' mix of children.

I live in Riverside so have no issues with getting to the school but the drive along Causewayhead Road in the morning is a pain as I used to do it from BoFA to work (after dropping youngest at in-laws) a couple of days a week. If you were living in Causewayhead however you can walk and nip under the roundabout - many people seem to do this. Also school buses run from Blairlogie in along Causewayhead Road so as your children got older that could be an option. As would be parking in Cambuskenneth and walking over the bridge as others do too.

Childminders are scare in Riverside (only 1 registered I think) so you would have issues there. BoFA is much better from that aspect. Probably because RS has Out of School Care across the road and BoFA was just in the process of establishing this within the school.

I have just become nvolved with the Playgroup and it is lovely - only runs Mon - Wed however and they have adopted a new approach taking under 3s. This was need to bump numbers as the I think the majority of the 3's and over go to the school Nursery either am or pm. (For children aged 2 - 2.5 an adult is required to stay.) Don't let the scabby building put you off!

On BoFA prices you may be surprised - you could proably pick-up a a 3-bed ex-LA house near the school or the station for around £150K. Not convinced you would get anything much cheaper in Causewayhead or indeed Riverside.

Hope that helps and good luck.

Nightingale99 · 28/09/2006 22:48

I can't thank you enough gomez for taking the time to share this local info with me. You know we are in a bit of a quandry here as if we were to take the house in C'head, I need to get kids to R'side and then BACK along C'head road to the university in BofA where I am a (rather wrinkled) student. It seems that I would be stuck forever in a loop... however I'm going to have a look at this Cambuskenneth option with DH this weekend and see if this might be an idea. Thanks for the advice... and it's encouraging to hear your views in R'side primary and that it seems good. All I really want is a good all round education for my kids and I'm not hung up on getting the "best" in terms of postcode education, because as you rightly say, it doesn't always add up. Certainly BofA class sizes are full to capacity. I just wish R'side was a bit more accessible for the end of the catchment I am looking at.

Does traffic get going from around 8 am then? And I suppose teatime rush hour will be v busy.

Can I just ask you what your experience of the out of school care is - how does that all work. I am a student now but only just as I've been a FTM for the last 5 years and have always been their sole wiper of tears/bottoms/cooker of fishfingers and have not had to rely on childminders etc and out of school care.

You are right you can get more affordable housing in BofA but I was kind of (stupidly) looking for a more substantial older type property. I haven't looked in Riverside - you have just moved there recently I take it? Has it got a good community life to it?

I wonder if anyone has any knowledge of childminders in Causewayhead who go to Riverside anyway with their kids?

Colette, you know we had a good look round Cambusbarron and it seems fine and there's some really nice housing with family types down near the playing fields at the bottom - and is always referred to a "sought after locale" in estate agent brochures because it borders on nice parts of St Ninians and is just separated from King's Park by the motoway. It's got a good community feel and community centre and a nice wee truly "villagy" pub in the centre. The primary school is right up the top of the village on the hill - you would have to look at finding an HMI report for it but from what I remember nothing in what I read about it struck me as being terribly bad (and not terribly fantastic either though but I could be wrong). The school did look like it needed a lick of paint but that is NOT an indication that teaching excellence and good ethos is lacking tho'!

Re: the youth thing, it seems to be everywhere you go and you definately need to look out for quiet spots and blind areas to busier streets because that is where they congregate - ie what may look like a quite little idyll may in fact be a haven for louts and ergo a total nightmare for families who want peace!!!

I've asked several local people what it's like living there and everyone has said it's lovely, quiet and tranquil. I was also speaking to a young student on my course from Cambusbarron and she is just not far off the age of the type of kids that hang about causing trouble and she said that there was none of that in Cambusbarron. In fact, me and DH have driven round there at night time to see if and where there are trouble spots and we saw nothing.... we are nocturnal property sleuths as we don't want to get stung again!!!

Hope this helps. If I think of anything else, I'll post it. Thanks again gomez and colette for your messages and support. Night night from nightingale99

figleaf · 30/09/2006 16:41

Dh and I are in Scotland now. We have seen lots of property and unexpectently found a real jem of a development just outside Aloa and another in Menstrie. I need some quick info if anyone can help. If we buy in Menstrie we could go to St Bernadettes and onto St Modans High but if we buy in Alloa we go to St Mungos and on to St Modans. Both primaries seem to have problems (according to the HMI reports) but going to them does get you into a good H.S. Does anyone have kids at either of these schools? can you go to St Mungos without going to a catholic primary?

Really interesting to read the stuff about the "youths" will do some night time visits while we are here.

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figleaf · 01/10/2006 08:38

anyone?

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colette · 01/10/2006 11:16

bump

Feelion · 01/10/2006 11:48

I dont have kids at these schools sorry. I do know that you can go onto catholic high school even if your kids havent been to primary. Alloa is lovely

figleaf · 01/10/2006 12:18

Thats goo to know feelion - thanks. Still interested in St Bernadettes Tullibody if anyone has any info. The HMI report said it was basically ok but goes a bit off the boil in the upper end of the school (specifically P6 and 7). We were hoping to go and see it on Monday morning before we fly home if we can. We like the house in Alloa but the most local catholic primary school seems to have serious problems. We hoped that the problems at St Bernadettes were resolved or being resolved and that we could get the kids in (perhaps on one of these placement things) and thus ensure they get into a good high school. Aloa Academy is the non denominational H.S and it performs below the Scotish average. It is interesting that you can get into a H.S if you've not been to a feeder though. We may try to see St Modans H.S on Monday too.

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Gillian76 · 01/10/2006 12:21

One thing to check with the HMI reports is when they were done. Sometimes they are a few years old and there has been a new HT, etc in the meantime. They are a very good indicator but do have their limitations.

Gillian76 · 01/10/2006 12:22

A friend of mine used to teach at St Modans and thought very highly of it so I'd definitely stick with that for high school.

gscrym · 01/10/2006 12:24

Ja9 is probably the one to ask. She's a primary teacher in the area so may be able to advise.

Gillian76 · 01/10/2006 12:29

The St Bernadette's report was 2005 so probably quite accurate.

If you look at the quality indicators, you would obviously like most of them to be good or very good. Fair is concerning and unsatisfactory very worrying.

figleaf · 01/10/2006 17:14

Weve just reolised that its a local holiday here tomorrow so well have to go home not having been in either St Bernadettes or St Modans. - drat, drat, drat!

If Ja9 is out there I`d really like to know a bit more about St Bernadettes.

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ja9 · 01/10/2006 20:38

hi. i've never heard of st bernadettes - i know nothing about it sorry.

ja9 · 01/10/2006 20:39

and local holiday tomorrow? no one informed me!! afaik all stirling schools have business as usual!

figleaf · 02/10/2006 08:47

Schools in Alloa are off today (thats where StBs is) but we will ring them just to be on the safe side. We will now go to St Modans though. If you are at work they must be so thanks.

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ja9 · 02/10/2006 22:15

i've just driven past the doors of st modans for the first time tonight! how did you find it? i 'm doing a uni course with a few of their staff. they have a very forward thinking head...

figleaf · 03/10/2006 09:56

Ive found all the schools and info etc using the internet. St Modans wouldnt let us visit as DS will only be in P5 when we come to scotland but they did say that you dont have to go to the feeder catholic school to get in, just be a baptised catholic. This makes us feel better as the 2 closest catholic feeders to our chosen house are not really an option. Both have large sites in areas where borded up windows and poor quality housing seem the norm. Both schools have a tiny roll for such large establishments (75 kids and 85 respectively). I`m now going to investigate the non denominational schools and book some appointments to go visit them in a couple of weeks after the scottish half term has finished.

Basically we think we will move to Alloa in December. I hope there are some near by Mumsnetters who will adopt me as a friend as I`ll know no one.

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lmcalder · 29/11/2006 18:53

Hi Figleaf

Where in Alloa are you thinking of moving to?

I was in Alloa but moved to Menstrie 2 years ago. I prefer Menstrie to Alloa as I prefer the smaller community - at the local school everyone knows everyone.

Sorry I can't help with the catholic schools - is St Serfs in Tullibody a catholic school do you know?

Anyway I am close by so let me know once you move.

Take care

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