Anyone signed up to the DORE program for Dyslexia?

[aleene]

I would love to hear from anyone who has done the DORE programme for Dyslexia or ADHD, for their DC. It is a big financial commitment so I am wary of signing up. Also can I read anywhere about any independent results about it?

I used the dore programme 15 yrs ago on my adhd son and my dyspraxic daughter . Best thing I ever did. Both adults now, in uni and they swear it changed their lives.

Bit late in the day but yes, my son, now 25 and a successful electrician, went on the then DDAT Programme. From not being consistently able to read ANY word except his own name, within a month or so he could read just about everything. In fact he was soon reading The Lord of the Rings. I know, I know hallelujah and all that but that was truly how it was for him. He was diagnosed aged 6 or 7, privately, and was Statemented from that time. He still can't write well and his spelling is appalling but he can read, and read well. So yeah I suppose hallelujah. They were discredited as I understand it, by dyslexia charities. But what established charity wants to be put out of business by a cure!

They were discredited by evidence and science not dyslexia charities

What science and what evidence?

The evidence was quite clear with my children ! Where's the "evidence " that these conditions actually exist ? Yet clearly they do!

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2835859/

Well for my children's sake I was prepared to try anything to improve matters and I did and it worked . Everything you research will have positive and negative like that link you've put up. I have a toddler now and if she shows any signs that my 2:grown up children had . I wouldn't think twice to starting dore for the third time!

I think as parents we are prepared to try anything. Personally I tried everything from acupuncture to Brain Gym to homeopathy to diets to fish oils to ... because were desperate and I’m afraid that’s what many of these “interventions” “cures” “treatments” rely upon. It makes us vulnerable and just a little gullible. We see improvement and naturally credit it to the program rather than the hard work the child has done to improve.

There’s a great (but expensive ) book that looks at many of the “interventions” on the market and the actual evidence written by experts with no allegiance to any particular organisation except the universities where they conduct research. I’m not sure if it’s available in libraries.

Afternoon all,

Firstly I hope you are all well.

I started the Dore program on the 20th of February 2007. It changed my life. I was 30 years old and had battled my entire adult life with skills that many of you find simple to do. I would also get frustrated that I could not achieve the things I needed to complete and got irritated that I could not read a book due to my inability to stay on the single line. Apart from that I was given every label from ADHD (or some other location on the autistic spectrum) to dyslexia. I even spelt that with no spell check :) That would not have been possible prior to 2007.

After completing the program, I can:
Read
Talk
Take part in conversations without bulldozing
Laugh at myself
Own a very successful business
Empathise
Love
Smile
Joke around
Be Normal

It also helped me kick my addiction to joint and sleeping pills as it allowed me to store information correctly. Once the cerebellum is fixed, the results are amazing. No more thinking at a million miles an hour. I also stopped drinking and smoking,

The beauty of my situation is I kept my entire programme, as well as all the aids as I use it quite often. From balance to improved coordination, Dore changed my life, and when I say this, I do not mean it lightly. It saved my marriage, gave my lovely children a father and allowed me to grow as a person and make real friends. I found my mum and dad again and learnt to turn all my excess baggage into lost luggage. Whatever you want to say, I am living proof of its success. And I am happy :)

It was, and still is the best thing I ever did. It must be noted that there are techniques that were developed at NASA and adapted.

Give me a shout if I can help any of you or if you would like any other guidance on the programme. Once I finished Dore, I completed my NLP training and my provocative Hypnosis training to better myself. None of this would have been possible without Sara Wade at Dore.

Best Regards, Mark

“Once the cerebellum is fixed,”

Dorothy Bishop, a psychology professor at Oxford University, has reached similar conclusions:

Dore Achievement Centres are springing up world-wide with a mission to cure cerebellar developmental delay, thought to be the cause of dyslexia, attention-deficit hyperactivity disorder, dyspraxia and Asperger’s syndrome. Remarkable success is claimed for an exercise-based treatment that is designed to accelerate cerebellar development. Unfortunately, the published studies are seriously flawed. On measures where control data are available, there is no credible evidence of significant gains in literacy associated with this intervention. There are no published studies on efficacy with the clinical groups for whom the programme is advocated. It is important that family practitioners and paediatricians are aware that the claims made for this expensive treatment are misleading

“. It must be noted that there are techniques that were developed at NASA and adapted.”

the Acting NASA Chief Health and Medical Officer, Richard S. Williams MD, issued the following statement in response to the claim ...

"In our experience, the prolonged exposure of Astronauts to the microgravity environment of space flight does not give rise to any physical symptoms or signs that would suggest dyslexia. To the best of our knowledge, NASA is not funding or engaging in research concerning dyslexia. Similarly, we do not have (or are unaware of) evidence that any of our medical or rehabilitative interventions for the Astronauts might be effective in treating dyslexia."

Well done to you markstone. Made up it worked for you too. I wish all the success in the world.

My daughter’s handwriting and spelling improved after she started gymnastics classes. Now was that a result of the exercise regime or was it the result of her hard work and hours of effort?
You’re free to believe what you will (and if I’d spent all that money on Dore I’d be inclined to attribute any improvement to Dore) but if you’re interested I’ve got shares in a cheese mine on the moon?

In regards to the comments posted by NorestforMrZ, I have no issue with your statements. When I started the programme, i was told that the exercises were linked to NASA. I accept the statement from NASA regarding evidence relations to the exercises and quite frankly, I don’t need to worry who designed the program or exercises. I feel the exact same way towards my statement for fixing the cerebellum.

Let me explain my results in a different way. The exercises that were given to me by the Dore program change my life. I was informed that the exercises could help with cerebellum development. 1 month after starting the program, I was able to turn the minefield of multiple thoughts, each ambushing one another, into a structured thought pattern. I was able to store memories, or simply remember to buy milk on the way home from work. The way I can explain this to all of you is Tetris, where there is no timer or automated row decent. I was able to take my thoughts and structure them. I still forget things time to time, but I am human after all.

In summary, the Dore program made me who I am today. Happy! For any parent, surely this is all we want for our kids.

If I had to look at the reasons for closure of Dore, maybe we should look to drug companies? Methylphenidate is often prescribed to kids who used to be like me and imagine if there was a way that you could retain the magic of your child when they are in their high state, would that not be the answe. Dore was my answer. Instead we medicate and turn us into zombies (been there, done that). Afterall, we are easier to manage if we are medicated. But are we happy?

I would not even like to think of the financial numbers involved if Methylphenidate was taken off the shelves, but I am guessing it to be rather large. So let me leave you with a thought. What is more important? Dore is about using exercise and hand eye coordination to improve. Instead of searing for an answer and trying to find the holy grail, why not do the following. Go to the back yard or to a field together. Laugh and play games that include throwing a beanbag to each othe or seeing who can stand on one leg with their eyes closed the longest. Have sack races and juggle beanbags. If you have no sacks, do a 3 legged race. The key here is spending time together and working the brain.

The first rule to solving a challenging situation is admitting there is one. Stop looking for the magic bullet. This takes effort and commitment.

I wish you all the very best in every game you play, and remember to have fun. If you play a game and it is not working and your child is getting frustrated, LISTEN! Adapt the game so that they can excel and enjoy it. This is not a competition. It’s love!

Best Regards,

Mark

Apologies for the typos and autocorrect. I am typing on a tiny screen on my phone. I am sure you all get what I meant.

Have a lovely evening :)

“Stop looking for the magic bullet. “ excellent advice

Hello.
I joined the Dore programme in Australia when I was 17. My parents paid $4,500 which they really struggled to afford and DORE went out of business 3 weeks later. We got nothing back. No communication. No apology. Just closed doors at the clinic. We were devastated. Now they seem to be back up and running again, even advertising to me on Facebook. I am now a qualified teacher with a masters in distinction in Special Education. The Dore program is a con. There is nothing wrong with your child. They learn differently. Tap into the strengths. Learning will become easier as time goes on and the focus shifts from the concrete to more creative and abstract concepts. I still can't spell and am slow at reading but I now know my brain is great, just wired differently. Run a mile from DORE

My son did the DORE program. Agree with

My son did the DORE program back when he was 13. Similar story to Maran C. It really helped him with his physical capabilities. Managed to go through high school and today in 2nd to 3rd year degree program in the UK. Of coz on top of that, i sent him to other therapies ..add ons

Hi all,
My son of 10 suffers from a form of so called dyslexia, he struggles with reading, writing, jumps lines when reading and reads from left to right and recalling information is difficult.

Plays allot of football, does martial arts, is fair in his ability to carry out these sports, is a whiz on the play-station and computer related activities. However he is a fair bit behind in school.

I too have traits of dyslexia, struggled through school, college, Uni, over the years I have developed strategies on dealing deal with these shortfalls, however, operating in today's society its just not practical and efficient and still requires a lot of effort.

My job as a design engineer entails me to look for route causes to rectify issues we have. There are lots of methodologies / tool sets that can be used to identify root causes.
I have suffered from skin problems, diagnosed as severe eczema from the age of 1, was told it would never subside, long story short, found rout cause at the age of 35... treated it with alternative therapies... can sleep and live a normal life...

My understanding of my son is that he has a different way of processing information, having tried to teach him he still seams have to exert a lot of energy into it, maybe I haven't found what suits him, nevertheless its not really practical in the conventional confined way of living and operating in toady's society.

I have put him onto the Dores program, 2 weeks in he is showing signs of some improvement on information recall, following instructions, he came back from school the other day saying his friends were asking how he has improved in football so much, all of a sudden passed his martial exam which he has been struggling with... could be a placebo effect, he is bright does understand what we are doing up to a certain extent... question, will he retain these abilities once he stops exercising his brain? early days...

The exercises that have been given do seem to be catering for some of the shortfalls, lots of eye tracking, balancing...

I will continue to monitor him.

Will keep you guys posted...

Before my son Fraser received his diagnosis of dyspraxia he was an overweight, isolated child who lacked confidence and required learning support. He now cites my investment in his attendance at the Dore Centre in Edinburgh as the turning point when he realised why he was different and through the success stories, how much more was possible.
Fraser’s progress from S1/S2 through to S5 where he won 2 top in year cups was meteoric. In S5 he achieved the highest ever mark of any student in the RMPS Higher prelim. He graduated MA Hons Philosophy & English winning a top student prize along the way. He is now studying law.
I'm not surprised the Dore Centre folded as the cost of the services offered could never have been recouped by the fees. However, in terms of the metamorphosis brought about in my son, the investment return was life-changing.

In the past I’ve tried Toe by Toe. I wholeheartedly recommend that.

What have other parents said about it? Hindsight can be a brutal thing to live with. Is the programme effective?

In 2005 my daughter could not do her 2 times table, she had no concept of money, her reading was slow then she would suddenly catch up. They were giving her extra support at school but there was no improvement. I had seen the advert for DORE and contacted them. Someone come out to see me explain everything. I was a single parent and struggling but I agreed to pay £2000 in installments. We went to Sheffield for an assessment and they told me my daughter was dyslexic, which the school should have picked up on. Within the first 6 weeks of starting the programme, I noticed a great improvement. My daughter continued this programme for 2 years and travelling to Sheffield every 6 weeks, before DORE went bankrupt. This has changed her life and i'm convinced she wouldn't be where she is now if it wasn't for DORE.

I took my daughter to DDATback in early 2000's, she was suffering from DYSLEXIA, DYSPRACSIA & ADD. I couldn't get the help she needed from school so we soon got the diagnosis which meant nothing to primary school! She hated school and could never do any of her work except art which she was excellent at! High school was so different and had a great art depth so she blossomed there and got her master at uni .