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Parent with dementia & deplorable behaviour by British Gas

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tuliptoes · 22/06/2017 02:21

My mother, from whom I've been estranged for many years, was diagnosed with vascular dementia in 2015 and has been in a secure home ever since. When dealing with the various bills that she had allowed to pile up (as a result of mental impairment rather than lack of funds) most of the bank card and utility companies, were sympathetic and helpful. The exception was British Gas, whose conduct I can only describe as vile – and that is not a word that I use lightly. I phoned at the end of November 2016 to explain my mother's dementia and to pay the bill – even though I am not legally obliged to do so and no-one in my family has Power of Attorney for my mother – and to ask for the gas supply to be cut off because of safety concerns. I explained tha the house was uninhabitable with an ancient boiler & could not be sold until my mother's death (v complicated situation). The person I spoke to seemed largely disinterested in the safety issue, citing 'data protection' as the reason she couldn't help further. No constructive suggestions – such as providing a letter from my mother's GP – were offered to get around this issue. With regards to the estimated bill, this was originally £70 but increased several times over because of late payment charges. I said I would visit in three weeks time (just before Christmas) and take a meter reading and phone back to discuss the final bill. Mea culpa: I did not make it back to my mother's house to take the reading in December – I live 6 hours drive away and in fact forgot all about it – and in January 2017 (2 months later) British Gas applied for a warrant to break into my mother's house with a locksmith, which they subsequently did in February. A neighbour came out to explain the situation; but still they insisted on gaining entry – no attempt to ask for a relative's phone number – to fit a pay as you go meter, which no one had asked for & despite the fact I'd raised safety concerns and asked for the supply to be cut off. Meanwhile, her outstanding bill has been farmed out to a debt collection agency and from an original estimate of £70 is now closer to £600. When I phoned British Gas to ask why they took such extreme steps, they were extremely hardline about it and the customer services manager – lacking any power to do anything and reading from a script – simply repeated, robot-fashion, 'Yes, but your mother hadn't paid her bill since December 2015' to which I kept replying 'Yes, that's because she has dementia and is in a home and you were fully aware of that'. I know from past experience that they are a vile company to deal with even when they know they're in the wrong. (My previous run in was because, they missold me a boiler that was more suited to a five-bedroomed house than a one-bedroom flat & were eventually, on pain of legal proceedings, forced to give me a refund.) The one thing that they kept saying during the boiler debacle was that they had to think of their shareholders – in other words, f* the customers who are being fleeced to provide their dividends – and I imagine that is exactly what they are thinking of now. So I'm posting this for two reasons: to warn others of what you can expect from this company if you have elderly parents suffering from mental impairment; and also to ask if anyone has any advice. My offer to pay the bill still stands – and on that note they won't tell me the final meter reading when they forced access to the house and they seem very reluctant to provide a breakdown of how the bill accumulated from £70 to nearly £600 – but I am not prepared to pay the charges they have racked up by applying for a warrant and employing a locksmith to force entry, as I believe this to be excessive in the circumstances. My guess, incidentally, is that they did this because I'd asked for the gas to be cut off and they wanted to at least keep billing the daily standing charge (and at an increased rate). Hate, hate, hate this company. If anyone knows the legal situation with regards to bills racking up in this way I'd be v grateful. (I've phoned around several charities that deal with the elderly and dementia, but apart from describing British Gas's conduct as 'extreme' they do not seem to know what to suggest.) Thanks in advance.

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walkinganhouraday · 22/06/2017 13:03

I would just leave it as well. Complain to the ombudsman by all means but don't offer to pay the bill. Let them chase your mother for it. She will be unaware and they're never going to get anything from her are they?

Clalpolly · 22/06/2017 14:13

The data protection argument is bollocks. I work in the field. Doesn't stand up to scrutiny.

wonkylegs · 22/06/2017 18:20

My mum has Alzheimer's and although we are in the process of getting a LPA for her, she had got quite in a muddle before we got involved.
I don't have a great relationship with her as she spent a large part of my childhood and adult life being quite simply a bit of a bitch. Since she got Alzheimer's she's actually a nicer person and I also feel a bit sorry for her as it's an awful disease, so I've got involved in trying to sort her out now.
Some companies I've managed to pretend to be her and if I don't know an answer, I just do the logical thing as I always state at the beginning of the conversation that my memory's not too good these days so say "ooo ummm I don't remember that one" , so far it's worked.
Her water company were really annoying as I like you was trying to pay a bill, but because I don't have access to her funds I needed to pay from my account so needed to be me. They have only agreed to talk to me because I got them to send out a permission letter for her to sign. It was a bit of a faff as they sent out the bi-lingual one as she's in Wales and sent it directly to her. She got it tried to read the Welsh which she can't since the dementia, went into a panic as official letters really worry her these days , luckily I phoned just after she opened it and managed to talk her through it. They still won't let me pay her bill Hmmfrom my bank but have finally agreed to put a hold on her account until the LPA comes through and I can pay them through her accounts.
I think some companies have awesome dementia training but some (especially utilities it seems) are truly dire.
Sorry that's not probably very useful advice but just wanted to let you know you aren't alone in getting frustrated by these things.

tuliptoes · 22/06/2017 19:34

Hi Wonkylegs,

Huge thanks for your reply as it totally mirrors my situation – my mother has been horrible to me most of my life but weirdly (perhaps since she started a powerful cocktail of medication) has been much nicer and said some touching things. I actually said to one of her doctors, "I much prefer my mother with dementia' which didn't go down too well. Also some really good suggestions there with regards to the permission letter. One utility company, Scottish Power, who also agreed to put a two-month hold on her account, suggested I could get a letter from her doctor confirming the situation; or try phoning when I am with her in her home and get her to confirm on the phone that she is happy for them to talk to me. (That would depend on her mood, tho!) British Gas needs to take a few lessons from other providers, I think. So your advice was really useful. Thank you. And as someone else said, there is always the option of just lodging a complaint with the ombudsman & ignoring he British Gas bill.

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DontMentionTheWar · 19/07/2017 02:54

Just to let you and anyone else who might be reading know that, in my experience, it did not take 9-12 months to get an Order of Deputyship, it actually took between three and four months. I used a solicitor to make the application but, looking back, I could quite easily have done it myself, which would have been a lot cheaper. At the time (which was quite stressful) I didn't want any more jobs to do.

After the Order of Deputyship came through, everything like this problem you have had with British Gas was so much easier. Prior to that I wasn't even allowed access to my relative's home to collect clothes for her - but that's another story. Once I had deputyship I had access to everything on my relative's behalf including medical records, bank accounts and other financial information. My advice to you would be just to get the deputyship sorted out, it makes things so much easier in the long run.

mrsmalcolmreynolds · 19/07/2017 14:02

tulip that sounds awful and I agree that some utility and related companies are really unscrupulous. My Mum was given a hard sell for a power flush of her system by a Swalec rep who was there to do the boiler service - really pushy and trying to insist she decided whether she wanted it done there and then despite her explaining that she has Alzheimer's.

Just to say though that it is not correct that a power of attorney cannot be granted after being diagnosed with dementia. A power of attorney cannot be granted if the donor no longer has capacity, which is different to having a diagnosis.

MagdalenNoName · 19/07/2017 14:07

This might be of interest. I'd suggest ringing the Press Office - saying you really don't want to go public in view of all the good things they are doing. Can they intervene to resolve things?

www.britishgas.co.uk/media/r/1470/10_000_british_gas_employees_trained_as_dementia_

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