Police application rejected

[Virgo28]

Just wondering if there's anyone on here who knows anything about the police application vetting process?
My daughter applied, passed everything - all tests, interviews, vetting etc (including the relatives vetting). Was sent email saying she had passed and would start in September and then today received an email saying that after consideration her application had been rejected as "recent criminal activity had come to light that may influence her judgement" (words to that affect but I can't remember the exact wording).
Does this mean that something has happened recently since her application or could it be historical? What crime could of been committed? Thank you

Unless its a conviction and so in the public domain its unlikely she will ever find out the reason unless the person involved tells her. What a shame

It also doesn't have to be the local police force that are dealing with someone, so no you wouldn't necessarily know.... Could be a different area, NCA, BTP etc

Customs / Borders, HMRC, DWP, RSPCA, HSE, NHS all have their own criminal prosecutorial powers and departments as well - it doesn't have to be a police matter.

I really worry about this for DSS... one side of his family is littered with criminal convictions, including a parent, and those wastes of space may fuck up his chances. Makes me really cross as he barely has anything to do with any of them.

He's not done his GCSEs yet, but he's quite set on becoming a police officer.may need to have a realistic conversation...

Tbh when I applied I gave my dad a hard time over it as I was certain he had a minor criminal record he'd not disclosed 😂😂. Fortunately I was wrong!

Don't worry. The onus is on declaring them at the earliest stage and being able to state how minimal the relationship is. My cousin has a record as long as your arm and has done time more than once, but I hadn't seen him in years. I also worked with a guy whose son went totally off the rails and was arrested every other week - he didn't lose his job just because his teenager got on the gear, but obv had to steer clear of any situation his son was found in. V complicated for him, v hard.

Good grief. If she doesn't even know who it is, it's hard to see it affecting her judgement.

Who does she associate with ?

I'm a PC and have seen colleagues suspended and sacked for having criminal associations-

Who owns the gym she uses
Who does she knock about with
Where does she drink or socialise

These things can and do affect applications.

Seems a bit odd they don't sack police who have allegations made against them but won't employ someone who has a connection somewhere to someone who has committed a crime. Surely loads of people wouldn't pass vetting if that's the case?

My DBro got through nearly all
the stages of vetting and had his offer pulled when a previous employer refused to give him a reference. He had reported his line manager for theft when DBro was only 19, which was upheld at the manager was sacked (it was in the papers) but as the employer refused a reference the force didn’t continue his application.

DBro was gutted and hasn’t ever found a career that he would be as well suited to as being in the police.

Haven't read all replies so don't know if anyone else has already suggested this but she can do a subject access request and they have to send her all data they hold related to her application. She can then investigate further from there.

Thank you I'll tell her

Sorry, it posted too soon. It feels so unfair that things can affect applications like
this without recourse for the application to put their side across fully to a panel
or something.

Could it be financial?

any debt? Particularly for longer than 5 years

could partner or any family member have been misusing credit cards? Fraud?

anything that might (theoretically) make her vulnerable to accepting bribes or anything else?

I think this is what she's struggling with. It's hard to fight for yourself if you don't know what exactly your fighting.

Someone earlier said it was about declaring the crime and justifying the (lack of) connection to the criminal - moreover than the crime itself.

But Mychitchatdays is saying that a pending charge, that applicant may know nothing about, can cause decline. How does that sit with being able to declare?

Exactly this! The wording says recent but living in the same town as all your family would make it hard to hide something like this which means it must be something historical, but surely they wouldn't say recent if it was.

No debt, and as far as we know - no convictions of any kind. No fraud and no bankruptcy

It will be someone close to her if they have been able to connect whatever it is to her. This makes me think it's someone in the household or her partner.

It may be that someone is being looked at in relation to an offence without being aware of the Police investigation (Ie they haven't been asked in for questioning yet). Usually the type of things that would ring these alarm bells are allegations of sexual offences or viewing indecent images online. This type of investigation could be ongoing for a long time before the suspect is aware.

Police vetting and DBS checks are very different (I do DBS checks). But things relating to relatives and family members would not usually be considered on a DBS unless it's for a job in your home.

I would be encouraging you both to have a sit down and honest chat with your family and her partner about anything they might have done recently.

Thank you all for your replies

I'm sure it is recent or it would have come up in vetting.

It's not remotely difficult to hide a caution or even conviction in a small town. Criminals aren't branded.

Sadly I think the key suspect has to be the partner...

A subject access request won't through light on this.

Telling them she has split from her partner might enable a review (but obviously she'd have to want to do this and be pretty sure it's him). I'm afraid you know your family best...to an outsider he looks the most likely candidate. What has his response been?

i also think partner is most likely problem.
as someone else says, it may not be a police matter; could be DWP fraud, insurance fraud investigation (not nec proved), local authority powers eg env health for food safety or housing standards, sanitation, trading standards, business practices, companies acts etc.

1 in 3? That high?

So your list of people is quite small op

hope you get to the bottom of it

Doubtful.

Unless it includes speeding and parking tickets I agree it is highly unlikely.