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Got an agent, didn't get a publishing deal

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everythingcrossed · 24/07/2021 13:42

Just that really - I thought that getting an agent was the hardest part but turns out I was wrong Smile. I've seen a few people on other threads in a similar position, does anyone want to join this one for a bit of mutual moaning, consolation, support getting the next book done?

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SeriouslyISuppose · 05/09/2021 19:46

It’s not just me being antsy, is it? Five weeks is quite long! Admittedly I was very late with it…

everythingcrossed · 12/09/2021 21:43

@SeriouslyISuppose - have you had your Zoom call yet???

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Spindrifting · 25/09/2021 11:19

[quote everythingcrossed]@SeriouslyISuppose - have you had your Zoom call yet???[/quote]
Sorry, this is me having NC. Had a call a few days ago, agent totally overwhelmed with work, was enthusiastic about novel, and is sending me notes within 48 hours.

everythingcrossed · 24/10/2021 19:58

Oops, I sort of forgot about this thread (and clearly so did others Grin). Fantastic news @Spindrifting. Were the notes helpful?

Anyone else got any updates? I'm still slogging through my first draft by telling myself the second draft will be a joy and a breeze...

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Hotpinkparade · 26/10/2021 13:06

I'm waiting for the final sign off from my agent and then going back out on submission hopefully next week... And so the terrible wait begins again! Am oscillating between feeling hopeful, because surely the chances of getting turned down twice in a row are low (I read somewhere that 75% of manuscripts submitted by agents are sold, although am not a good enough statistician to work out what that means for me) and terror, because getting turned down twice in a row seems so much worse. Keeping everything crossed.

everythingcrossed · 26/10/2021 18:12

It's great to hear from you - and to hear that your agent has stuck with you @Hotpinkparade - how do you think your second book compares to your first? Best of luck and let us know what happens.

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Hotpinkparade · 26/10/2021 18:52

That's a good question - I have definitely learnt a lot from the process and the passage of time from book 1 to book 2... so it's better formed, has more narrative thrust etc. In a way the subject matter is perhaps less compelling which is a concern I have, but my agent doesn't seem worried about that so I just have to trust her.

Anyone else have any news or updates?

StellaOlivetti · 27/10/2021 20:50

Good news @Spindrifting and @Hotpinkparade!

My update: still agentless. But my second novel, now much polished, was launched into the world via a small but mighty publisher in September.

It has taken my entire adult life (actually longer; wrote my first novel aged 15) but I got there in the end.

Hotpinkparade · 28/10/2021 12:48

Congratulations! Would love to have a look if you're happy to share the title? No worries if not :)

StellaOlivetti · 28/10/2021 20:22

Have messaged you, @Hotpinkparade!

everythingcrossed · 29/10/2021 21:38

Yay @StellaOlivetti, who bloody needs agents anyway? A friend of mine only submitted to two or three, was rejected, got fed up and started pitching direct to publishers. He was accepted by a small publishing house and subsequently long-listed for the Costa. Well done, that is inspiring news for the rest of us - would you PM me the title too?

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StellaOlivetti · 30/10/2021 06:43

Have PMd you, @everythingcrossed

Valeriane · 08/11/2021 08:10

@everythingcrossed

I can't thank you enough for starting this thread. I have felt incredibly alone and defeated, and I have just read through all the posts on here with a growing sense of dread yet also relief. I honestly thought I was just some kind of fuck up. This isn't a side of things that generally gets covered so it feels so comforting to know there are others in the same situation.

I sent my first novel out to agents at the start of 2019 and was overwhelmed to get several offers of representation pretty swiftly. I didn't follow my heart: there was one agent who completely "got" me and my book, but I chose instead to go with the agent I have now, because she was much more experienced and had great sales.

Lockdown hit, and over the course of a year, she sent me off to do revision after revision, and the novel gradually became something almost entirely different. I regret not being more assertive now. Instead, I executed all the changes she asked of me, even when it didn't feel right.

A year an a half after being signed, she finally sent it out to 7 editors, but I could tell her heart was no longer in it. We got three replies back. One took it to a meeting to present to their team (can't remember the name for this), but despite loving it, couldn't get everyone on board. One liked the setting but not the MC. One liked the MC but not the setting. It's been 4 months now and we haven't heard back from the others.

There are two things that haven't been helpful for me, not sure if anyone can relate:

  1. I told people about signing with my agent and I really, really regret this now. I was just so excited I felt like I couldn't keep it in. Now it's been almost two years and it's absolutely unbearable when someone inevitably says "so what's happening with the book?!". It's so draining having to briefly explain (again). I wish I had totally kept quiet, but in my head, it was like you get an agent, you do 6 months of editing, and then you're off on submission.
  2. Reading a few posts on here, it seems there might be a common theme with a few agents, where you're getting this frazzled "busy busy busy" vibe. It feels very difficult to get her on a call. She always replies to my texts but it's a kind of effusive "life is really hectic" vibe in which basically when you cut through the talk, shes delaying speaking to you. I resent the attitude because I'm not someone who is sitting around at home with nothing to do but stare out the window and ponder and write 🤭 I work full time as well as having other responsibilities, and I know "this is publishing" but I don't necessarily find it professional. Initially I was really open and understanding that life is fast paced and stuff but after a while you just start to think "look, I'm not too interested in your hectic schedule, I'm your client. Call me." I sent her an outline for book 2 which she never read.

Most of our conversations about the book have been about making it commercial, its been very businessy. I guess now that it hasnt actually sold though, I feel it's a shame I didnt have a better, more philosophical or incisive relationship with my agent, because if it was going to become unsellable, it would have been fun to at least turn out unsellable with a few interesting chats about the book along the way. It feels like I disappointed her and she lost interest in my novel and then had to force herself to sell it. I lost confidence in both my writing abilities, and my sense that she actually "gets" who I am and what I want to write about and how.

Sorry for such a massive whiny post but I really needed to get all this off my chest. It feels GOOD!

All I can do now is get deeper into Book 2. She has taught me so much about stripping back, editing myself, being ruthless in that way - her insight as an editor has been invaluable. I have three first draft chapters I could show her, but should I? Part of me is like @FittedSheet and I just want to crack on without her input. Another part of me is a feedback whore who wants to get reassurance for us both. Any thoughts?

Valeriane · 08/11/2021 08:10

DAMN that was long! Sorry! 🙈

jacqelinedaniels · 12/11/2021 07:56

I’ve been hiding out for a while and focussing on my second novel - now I’m in the redrafting stages and sure of what the story is at long last i have been feeling quite protective of keeping my head in the zone. I would say to @Valeriane I can really relate to what you say. I have had no contact from my agent for ages and I’m sure she has given up on my first novel but I had kind of thought I might have some contact from her at some point to check in. Maybe it’s all down to me to make contact but I’m haven’t felt like it… I’m choosing to believe she will like my second but have shown her nothing of it and last time we spoke and I told her the outline it was very different to what it is now. But it’s the same genre etc so I’m blindly hoping she will be happy with it.
I totally relate to feeling like a bit of a failure and having told people about getting an agent now only to have to update them with no news whenever asked. Because most people know nothing about the industry they assume things and it feels crap.
Ah well. Needed a grumble I think. I do actually have this probably unfounded belief it will all work out in the end if I just keep going, which is probably just as well. My old writing group tutor currently has a drama on prime time TV so she has definitely inspired me as to what can happen with persistence!
One thing I’m puzzling over though is how far do you go with getting beta reads when you have an agent? Should I just send her it when I feel happy enough with it? What do others do? I have no beta readers hence my stress! I was considering hiring one on Fiverr but feel a little nervous about it

StellaOlivetti · 12/11/2021 21:44

I totally understand where you’re coming from, @Valeriane. You are absolutely not alone. I’ve come to realise that literary agents are like professional football managers: they sign a lot of people like a spread bet, in the hope that maybe 10% will hit pay dirt. And like you, I wish I’d not told a soul I’d signed with my literary agency, it made the explanations during the months and months of being ghosted into tiresome conversations I’d rather not have had. But don’t, for gods sake, lose confidence. The other thing I’ve come to realise is that commercial success and a good novel do not necessarily conflate. David Walliams, anyone? EL James? Keep on keeping on, all of us, and if we need to, we should remind ourselves that hardly ANYONE gets signed with a literary agent. And to answer your question about beta readers, @jacqelinedaniels, I have never ever had anyone read my work…. I found it hard enough to share with my agent when I did have her. I am not sure I’d find it helpful. It’s like the fable of the old man and the donkey, which admittedly I can barely recall now, but basically it meant that everyone has a different opinion and if you alter to please them all, you’ll end up with something inferior. I prefer to crack on alone. That way, if it’s a fuck up, at least it’s my fuck up.
None of us are failures xx

TreacleTarty · 14/11/2021 20:55

@Valeriane Thanks so much for posting your experience, and thank you to everyone else on the thread too. Really resonates with me!

I worked on my novel for three years and it's been out on submission to publishers with radio silence except for two rejections for months. It's so, so galling - and one of the hardest things is loved ones saying "so what's happening with the book??"

It's like people asking "so what's happening with that new guy you're seeing?" and the reality is he is totally ghosting you and you're gutted about it. It hurts!

I've started working on book 2 but after completing three chapters/15,000 words I sent my agent the synopsis and asked if she wanted to read what I had so far, and she didn't want to read it until I'd finished it and was really quite negative about the synopsis, which has completely deflated me and now I don't know what to do. So I wouldn't recommend doing that.

Writermum123 · 15/11/2021 11:55

@Valeriane very sorry hear about your experience. Have you sent her a formal email stating that you're unhappy with the lack of communication? The fact that you got to acquisitions with one publisher is amazing. Why has she not sent out to another round of publishers?

drivinmecrazy · 15/11/2021 12:33

I have absolutely nothing literary to add to this thread but just wanted to say it's absolutely riveting.
To see the ups and downs of novelists laid bare is better than any thriller!
From my own point of view writers are viewed very poorly in the scale of things.
It takes such endurance and fortitude as well as an obvious skill with the written word to become an author.
Wether you are published or not I don't doubt that any of you are without skill or creativity.
Who knows, maybe this thread might well become a novel in itself.
I can't wait to read your books and hope you all get the success you deserve Daffodil

jacqelinedaniels · 15/11/2021 13:19

Always nice to hear a supportive comments and commiserate with others! 😁 @Valeriane I would write more before showing but that’s just me, I know my early drafts are nothing like the book I end up with. @TreacleTarty again, sorry you got that reaction. But if you look hard at the concept and go further with it, you might find it evolves a lot and she ultimately sees it differently? Sounds like you need a discussion to clarify the core elements you want to write about to avoid wasting time, will she talk it over?

If anyone is on Twitter, Laura Evans was talking about this in a long convo last week (Thurs 10th). We are not alone!

jacqelinedaniels · 15/11/2021 13:20

That should say 10 Nov sorry (and it was a Wednesday 😂)

TreacleTarty · 15/11/2021 15:13

Oh thank you, and thank you for the tip-off @jacqelinedaniels, that Twitter thread is quite consoling and reveals how many people have had this experience.

Link is here for anyone else who'd like to read it and feel less alone!

everythingcrossed · 27/12/2021 18:02

I've been away from MN for a few weeks - sorry, @Valeriane for missing your post. I think most of us can sympathise with the heart-dropping disappointment of having snared an agent (and it does feel as if we've done that through incredible luck rather than talent most of the time) and have the dream of publication wither in front of us. Up to the point of getting an agent, the process, if not entirely in our hands, has been a result of our input and persistence and when we hand over our MSs to a third party, it's really hard to feel that they are as on board and fighting for us as hard as we would like.

I like @StellaOlivetti's football manager comparison - it is a business and they know not everyone they take on is going to make it. Going through the submission process made me realise how much of a business publishing is - I got lots of lovely feedback but the overwhelming feeling was that the book didn't fit a genre closely enough and therefore was going to be difficult to market. That seemed madness to me - it's a great book! It's well written! - but it's not an industry full of people waiting to discover an unknown, it's about people with targets and a strong sense of demographic audiences and building on established success. It is extremely hard to break in.

I'm naturally quite a secretive person so I was very careful about telling people I had an agent so I haven't had to cope with that many people asking after it. Those who did know have been, without exception, lovely and sympathetic but it's still hard not to feel like a let-down or some weird fantasist that I thought publication was almost a given.

Thanks for the twitter link which manages to be gutting and cheering at the same time. @TreacleTarty - your agent sounds like a mean girl Angry

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