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Irish Mammy doting on adult sons

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LaGrandeGoof · 08/08/2024 12:53

I know it’s nothing new but omg I’m staying with my mother at the moment and it’s nauseating. I think it always was but it’s either ramped up, or I’m seeing it with fresh eyes.

My two adult, unmarried brothers (twins, late forties) work from home and part-time farm. They live with my mother in the family home - they basically never moved out. Mother, widowed, centres her whole world around them. Like I’m feeling like a gooseberry intruding on a honeymoon!

She tells them to keep an eye on their salt and sugar intake - she acts like they are toddlers, but they don’t seem to bat an eyelid, maybe because the positives outweigh the negatives.
They pay her some rent - she does not expect them to lift a finger around the house and obviously they don’t. I have never seen them wash a single dish. Of course if I say anything she gives me that sigh and “God these awful modern women” look.

She cooks all their meals - in fact she low level hates anyone else cooking for them (jealous). All their laundry etc. she says you “could hardly expect a man to know how to do all that”. I swear she would wipe their bums for them if she could.

She has definitely held them back in life - it’s like she wants to be their ideal woman and meet all their needs. She does not treat her two daughters like this. She is not really available for helping with my children……. She has no interest- basically because she is so busy with her own babies/man-children.

If she leaves the house or goes visiting, she uses them as an excuse to leave (“ I have to go get dinner for the boys”) Ditto when she’s trying to get off the phone. It’s embarrassing - but my brothers don’t seem to mind at all that she makes them sounds so helpless.

My brothers never had romantic relationships and although my mother says she would love them to, this is clearly bollix. It has been made more than clear over the years that no woman would be good enough. She thinks my brothers are real catches that women would only love to get their hands on! They rarely if ever go out.

Would you have expected this dynamic to have died out in Irish society - is this not now really unusual? She gave up her job when she got married.

Anyway she will never change: she gets so much pleasure from this way of life. It’s her reason for living and the way she is programmed.
I can only try to see the humour in it.

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LaGrandeGoof · 08/08/2024 22:23

RedHelenB · 08/08/2024 19:20

This. Why moan that she won't do childcare for you? Doesn't seem like you want her to enjoy her life child free.

Not childcare. They aren’t school age any more and we don’t live that near, so it was never childcare. More like when we visited this time last year, one of my teenagers wanted her to show them how to do something. That kind of thing. But she was too busy. It would have meant a lot.

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Royalshyness · 08/08/2024 22:26

Yes the farm automatically goes to the boys. It’s expected. My dh father didn’t want anyone building on the sites as it would spoil the landscape. His perogative of course. The son that inherited does nothing but moan about the burden yet he inherited a million quid worth of a business and the house while the rest get nothing. Five of them in the family.

LaGrandeGoof · 08/08/2024 22:32

Yes it’s hard if not impossible to share a farm and house four ways, and the non-farmers (me) would want to sell their share. Then an “outsider” could build a house there /rival farmers could buy it and farm there. When it has been in the family for centuries etc. It’s complicated. And I can see that is a burden.

It Is the infantilising that grates more, strangely.

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Abhannmor · 08/08/2024 22:34

I often wondered why Irish women seemed to 'marry out' so often in England. There's no shortage of Irish males in the diaspora. Perhaps they had visions of being dragged back to some farm under the eye of Mammy ....

CuteCillian · 08/08/2024 22:43

It’s a bloody nasty thing to do. Infantilising anyone to the point they go a bit odd and can’t cope isn’t doing them a favour.
I see it as a cruel way for your Mother to behave. Very controlling and failing in the role of parent, which is to equip our DC to become fully functional adults wherever possible.

ciaopizza · 08/08/2024 23:00

Reminded me of this guy in Insta who does some
comedy sketches about the Irish Mammy

www.instagram.com/reel/C9dByrLoVqM/?igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

Atethehalloweenchocs · 08/08/2024 23:34

Isnt this why Lisdoonvarna was invented?

LondonLass61 · 08/08/2024 23:59

It may make her happy but she's been selfish to infantilise them and they can't be really happy. I have an aunt who does this to her twin boys - in England. They're both 53, only one left home but neither married and she actively discouraged girlfriends. They are now her carers. I feel v sad about them.

EachandEveryone · 09/08/2024 11:25

God I’m in chemo and the 80 year old next to me has just said she has one son who blames her for the fact that he was never able to meet someone and get married!!! This is in London. Poor lady now I’m wondering who will be looking after her. She said she did everything for him and this is how he replays her!

Sharontheodopolodous · 09/08/2024 15:01

Barbadossunset · 08/08/2024 19:16

He loves good toot/smoke so she makes sure he's got enough to last him

@Sharontheodopolodous your mother buys your brother drugs?

Oh yes
And not just a bit of weed
He xando no wrong In her eyes

EachandEveryone · 09/08/2024 15:25

Good god that’s going above and beyond

deeahgwitch · 10/08/2024 09:36

I know of two Irish Mammies who don't dote on their sons.
Is this a record ?

However one dotes on her second son not her first born.
It probably still counts so ☹️

I only know of one non doting Mammy then. 😀

Alalalalalongalalalalalonglonglilong · 12/08/2024 20:52

CuteCillian · 08/08/2024 22:43

It’s a bloody nasty thing to do. Infantilising anyone to the point they go a bit odd and can’t cope isn’t doing them a favour.
I see it as a cruel way for your Mother to behave. Very controlling and failing in the role of parent, which is to equip our DC to become fully functional adults wherever possible.

Yes this is what I was going to say. She is a bad mother, has failed in her duty and put her own needs first always, her need to be needed trumps their best interests. She is selfishly fooling everyone to believe the opposite.

I'm sorry OP this would drive me absolutely crazy. The truth is they will have their moment, she will need caring for as she gets old they will have a very difficult time of it as they have not developed skills or knowledge to do this. I guess you'll have to accept this reality and take some comfort that it will come full circle and you won't be landed with it all.

They might surprise you, they might be more capable than you realise. It's an awful waste of potential isn't it.

MarieDeGournay · 12/08/2024 22:29

Has anyone noticed a tendency to give men bigger portions of food at the table? like they're still spending all day snagging turnips and saving hay..

I was horrified to see a family member who has her own job, which if anything is more demanding than her husband's, taking a bigger plate out of the press to put his dinner on - she caught the look on my face, which I couldn't hide, and looked very sheepish. But Himself still got the biggest plate and the most food...

Dontfencemein · 16/08/2024 10:28

This is sad on so many levels. Sad for the men whose lives seem so narrow, who have never been pushed or challenged, who will probably end up lonely, without friends or family in later life. Sad for the woman who must have no sense of her own self outside the Mammy role. I can see why gallows humour is needed to deal with it.

LadyDanburysHat · 16/08/2024 10:45

What is going to happen to the farm after these twin sons die though? Since they won't have family to pass it down to.

AgileGreenSeal · 16/08/2024 10:47

She’s happy, they’re happy.
what’s the problem?

MrsSkylerWhite · 16/08/2024 10:50

It’s a farm? That puts a different slant on things. Presumably they do farm work?

CreationNat1on · 16/08/2024 11:12

When she gets frail, they will apply for carers, and some younger local women will come in for 3 hours a day caring for your mother and then caring for the also. Putting a dinner and a wash on, tidying the house.

This will last long enough, until they are eligible for carers themselves.

It's complete madness, but I see it all the time.

Modern women are judged and too much independence is frowned upon.

The girls are pushed out and off the books so that the farm can go to the boys. Mysogyny.

I the past, the girls would be paired up with a boy from another farm, ideally she would be a teacher, so she could bring I a wage, a pension, be a mother to the husband as well as the children. A baby making machine who paid for herself.

Farms worth millions, literally several million, but they will never be sold....... Not until the batchellors die out and some disinterested nephew/relation inherits. Then they go to auction, and some rival neighbour does everything they canto snatch up the land.

CreationNat1on · 16/08/2024 11:13

LadyDanburysHat · 16/08/2024 10:45

What is going to happen to the farm after these twin sons die though? Since they won't have family to pass it down to.

Dome long lost family will inherit and sell it.

buffyajp · 16/08/2024 11:14

Maddy70 · 08/08/2024 14:53

They're all happy with the arrangement. It has nothing to do with you

It has everything to do with her when she and her sister are expected to run around after them too when at home and are treated differently. It also has plenty to do with her if she’s expected to play carer for her mother in her old age while the sons sit on their arses. Personally I cannot stand parents who treat children differently according to their sex. It’s outdated and infantilising them which is not good parenting. I agree it’s not just an Irish thing, I’ve seen it quite a lot in the Uk too.

CreationNat1on · 16/08/2024 11:28

Yes, it has to do with the OP, because she and her sister have to be more emotionally and financially independent, as there is nothing left for them (no love, time, inheritance). The mother lavishes all her energy on the sons, leaving nothing available for the daughters or their offspring.

By the way, the mother is attention seeking with her slavish cossetting of the sons. It's an act. If she didn't do it, she would feel redundant.

There is a view that women are more emotionally capable than men, the daughters can be pushed out, they will cope.

You sometimes see these idiot sons marrying mail order brides, because they can only cope with that dynamic. They have never been challenged, their opinions are always the only opinion.

Other idiot sons, are so convinced of their own brilliance (never challenged), they consider themselves to be masterful poets, musicians, card players, boats men or whatever their hobby is, because mummy told them they were great. It comes as a massive shock if they ever have to leave their bubble and interact in the real world.

They sometimes end up with inappropriate wives/lovers, because they don't date normally, they sometimes go down seedy routes to satisfy their sexual curiosity.

At least these two sons, have jobs, so they know what it is to hold down a job where you are answerable to someone (not just lord of the farm).

pontipinemum · 12/09/2024 16:18

I married a farmer in rural Ireland. I have 2 sons I do adore them and do everything for them them they are 2 yrs and 6 weeks but I will let them grow up!

It wasn't unheard of though for the farmer son to not marry until the mother died. Or for them all to live together very uncomfortably!

@LaGrandeGoof I think without a will Farm or no farm it's an equal split 4 ways. Unless ye (sisters) surrender your portio

BlastedPimples · 12/09/2024 16:22

Have you read On the Black Hill?

Very similar set up in that really great book.

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