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Moving to Ireland - help!

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Vic820331 · 16/08/2022 08:27

My partner and I are looking to relocate to Ireland in coming months with our two kids (5 & 1). He is Irish and I have grown up in London. We really want a change of lifestyle for our two boys but also for us and are really excited at the prospect (we love Ireland and visit fairly regularly)

We don’t know exactly where we will be located yet - we are looking around Kilkenny but would look to rent first and property isn’t that easy to find atm it seems - especially as we are still located in the uk so can’t react as quickly to viewings etc. So I have a couple of questions:

did others who have moved go over and then find somewhere to live? We are wondering if using air bnb or the like for a month might be sensible while we find something longer term? Has anyone done this?

if so, how did this work with schools etc? My eldest is 5 and would be starting year 1 in September in the uk. He doesn’t turn 6 until May and I think it’s different in that he doesn’t legally have to attend until 6 in ireland instead of 5 in uk. Is this right? I really don’t want him to miss school as he loves it but also recognise we might need to locate ourselves more permanently before we sort a school.

I will also want to find a job but finding this tricky from uk. Anyone have experience of this at all or will this be much easier when I am there in person? (I have moved countries before to Australia and that was my experience).

lastly, how have others found the move? I’ve seen lots of threads about cost of living but we find living in the suburbs of London pretty expensive. Is this something we should be worried about?

thanks so much in advance for any advice!

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OakAshBeech · 16/08/2022 11:33

Most 5 years olds with a May birthday will be starting school this year so I wouldn't keep him out a year. I'd say it's rare to wait until 6 to start. Maybe he could join a couple of months late if you're relocating.
It is expensive here and housing is an issue at the moment. A lot depends on budget and also where you want to settle. I'm not really familiar with the Killkenny area so not much use to you there, sorry.

SparkyBlue · 16/08/2022 13:55

No real advice as I haven't been in this situation but finding accommodation will be the biggest hurdle you will face right now. It's difficult to describe how bad the housing situation is.

turkeyboots · 16/08/2022 14:00

Schools are much more flexible here, so you could put your DS into junior infants with few issues, he won't be the eldest. They only do half days though til first class normally, which will make your job hunt tricker.
Kilkenny is lovely, but expensive. Enroll your DHs relatives in your house hunt. My mum toured our rental with me on a video call!

Beansí · 16/08/2022 15:57

What industry do you work in? Some have fairly specific requirements in Ireland such as teaching.

Vic820331 · 18/08/2022 11:20

So my intention wouldn’t be to keep my little one out of school for a year as he’s been in reception In the uk for a whole year already. I was wondering more whether it was a legal requirement, as in, if it took me a few weeks to find him a school would this be an issue. My intention would be for him to miss as little as possible. This is partly why we want you move now so we have some time on the school front. There are so many moving parts to moving countries!

In terms of housing, we can see this is tricky atm as rentals come up and disappear in hours! But we are hopeful we will find something. It is expensive, but cheaper or on a par with London for us (renting a decent house in our current area is at least around £2500 a month before any bills)

I work in marketing/ pr/ communications sI hoping to pick up work. I also have a little one so would be looking for childcare and wrap around care for them both anyway to allow me to work.

thanks for the advice! It really helps!

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Casarossa · 18/08/2022 11:27

No - I definitely would not move and stay in an air bnb unless you are prepared to be there for a lot longer than a month. Even people that live here and can act quickly are really struggling to find properties to rent. Every week there is someone on our local facebook pages desperate to find rental accomodation because the owner is selling etc etc and they cannot find anywhere else to live.

abovedecknotbelow · 18/08/2022 11:31

I saw a story on the news yesterday where there was a queue of 150 people looking to view a rental yesterday in Dublin.

Personally I wouldn't relocate without securing employment first.

unfortunateevents · 18/08/2022 11:34

You may consider that renting costs are on a par or cheaper than London but bear in mind that you will not be earning anything like the same salary in Kilkenny or pretty much anywhere outside of Dublin.

Footbal · 18/08/2022 11:35

Just did a quick search on the property website daft.ie. There are 23 places to rent in Kilkenny at the moment,none of them are family homes though,they are mostly double rooms to rent in a shared house.

Rowen32 · 18/08/2022 12:30

Property, even rental is incredibly hard to find in Ireland at the moment, you would really need to try and sort before you move.
Legally, children have to be in school by the age of six. Junior and Senior Infants finish an hour earlier (I wouldn't call it a half day like previous poster), it's an hour less so 1:40 or 2 depending on the school..

Rowen32 · 18/08/2022 12:31

I would start him ASAP, it would be very rare for a child to start school aged 6...

junebirthdaygirl · 18/08/2022 12:46

Could you stay with dhs family while you find a house to buy? I would start your ds all over again in school here as most children start at 5 and if it's an interrupted year at least he should be quite well able to make the changes. Buying a house here seems to take a long time with solicitors etc so factor that in
I am pretty familiar with the Kilkenny area and its a lovely city and perfect for a family

Vic820331 · 18/08/2022 12:48

So my partner has work already and can go ahead of us if necessary to sort housing if we need him to while I stay In London with the kids. I will also try and get a job but in all honesty it’s more because I’m so time poor with work and kids that applying for new jobs is actually very tricky.

definitely not my intention for my son to miss any school but obvs can’t sort this without a specific location hence the question. He has been attending full time school for a year already (and will return here to year one in September) so it was more a question regarding him missing a small number of weeks (if that) while we move.

we are fortunate in that my in laws live about 45 mins from Dublin so we won’t be too stuck no matter what, but we would of course like to settle on our own if we can.

thanks for the advice re air bnb - wouldn’t want to be stuck doing that long term so will defo bear that in mind!

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Vic820331 · 18/08/2022 12:52

I’m not sure we would live with them long term but we could do it for a bit! I was thinking the same about school. Am hoping he has the advantage of already being able to read and write etc as he’s done a year already so even if it’s interrupted he should be ok hopefully.

So glad to hear you say that about Kilkenny. We have visited a number of times and love it so much. It feels like it would be the perfect location for us (but know it’s very popular!). Trying to stay positive about the housing situation (after having a little panicked cry when I came on and read some of the other replies…!)

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BlueRaincoat1 · 18/08/2022 12:52

I looked at moving back to Ireland with small kids and decided I couldn't face it. Nursery childcare in ireland is extremely hard to get and has huge waiting lists. You may find it hard to get something for your one year old. The rental market is mental, often low quality and insecure. You cant get a mortgage til you've been there a year. Will your husband work from home? Transport can be tricky and you should really look at commute times if he will be workplace based.

thefizz · 18/08/2022 12:56

If your DP job is based in Ireland (not remote to another country), he could ask his employer for help sourcing accommodation. Bigger employers often have first dibs with the local estate agents etc. Worth a shot.

Rowen32 · 18/08/2022 13:01

So he could start in Senior Infants in Ireland then? The second year of primary school?
Conscious if he does 4th year in secondary (sometimes optional, sometimes compulsory depending on school) he might not want to be 20 doing his final year!

Thethreecs · 18/08/2022 13:08

Here in Ireland the way it works is,
you can put a child into playschool until they start primary school. We have an ECCE scheme here so you could see if you're entitled to that. Not sure on the details for people moving to Ireland.

Our first year in primary school is called Junior Infants, most start between 5 years and 6 years of age. Tbh I find the later they start the better as it can benefit them through out the years. For eg years ago when mine were small you started junior infants at 4 years, it meant starting secondary school at 11years (they do 8 years in primary). Which was very young for one of mine as they weren't as 'mature' as my other children so I had to keep them back a year, which has A LOT of red tape and you need to proove it would benefit them by keeping them back.

Once they start by 6 years the 'whole system' is happy. Our schools do accept children moving from other schools and other countries and will put them in the class they find suitable for their age and previous education. Our school system has changed a lot over the years, for the better ime. It use to be that the whole class did the same work at the same time, whether they were able for it or not. Now work is set out to the child's ability. For eg one of mine has dyspraxia and dyslexia and they would go to another room with the special education teacher and work on English and maths for their level and ability while the class completed their English and maths. All schools have their own systems but their main priorities are that the children don't feel any different. With so many children with different abilities and different needs, there's always some movement of children from room to room.

I believe that Catholic schools are the most sought after in the UK, here in Ireland we still have Catholic schools, and we also have Educate together and church of Ireland. Our Catholic schools are not religion heavy, if you want your children to opt out of religion you can let the school know and they will not include them and set different work.

Depending on what you want you choose you need to make sure that the school you like is close to where you live. Schools will choose pupils in the immediate area first. You can apply for schools in other areas but you could be left waiting as they must fill places with children from the area first. Most of our primary schools have a secondary attached or within walking distance or short car/bus journey, so that's another thing to consider. For places that have small towns you can have just primary schools and the kids have to travel to another town for a secondary school. We have bus eireann outside of Dublin, they have school buses you can apply for a place on them, you pay for this unless you have a medical card. Then bus eireann also have their regular bus routes that they can use too. You do need to check the transport available for where you will be living as all Counties differ, some have a regular timetable some can have anywhere from an hour between buses. Dublin of course has a much better transport system, they've Dublin bus, LUAS, Dart.

With regards to housing the smaller the town the cheaper the rent. The likes of big counties like Dublin, Galway, Cork etc the rent is higher. You can get a good size house in smaller towns for a cheaper amount. You can have 2 separate towns in the same County for completely different rent amounts. It depends on what's in each and how close to amenities. It's the same in Dublin, depending on the address the rents will differ.

I'd definitely suggest renting short term or if you got a reasonable price for air b n b. You need to see if you like an area and if it suits your needs.

I think the main things are how close you are to amenities, schools, public transport etc there are places that you would need to drive to the nearest shop. You need to plan ahead for when your children are older and is there things for them to do, will they be able to get to school easily enough. You don't want to have to depend on a car, otherwise you can be driving everywhere for a good few years. I've a sister in a small town and if there's bad weather and she can't drive as the roads in the estates are not cleared and dangerous, the nearest bus is an hour walk, Main roads are always cleared of debris and snow etc. Not good if you've kids to get to school or you've too get to work. She has one supermarket supervalu and they're very expensive so she drives 20 minutes to next town to tesco. Then as kids getting older they need lifts everywhere as friends too far away to walk plus you need to consider safety too when walking. When her car breaks down she's basically stranded.

There are jobs here. You would probably have to travel into a main city if you got something in your area of experience. Wfh is not something that really happens here, there's very few jobs like that here. So nearly everyone travels, most who travel to work in say Dublin use public transport, you've bus lanes the majority of the way and motorways in some counties, traffic can be a nightmare everywhere. You would need to find out first where there are companies that you would like/could work for, maybe then base the housing around that and then the schools.

With wrap around care, it again depends on where you live, for eg my sister used a creche for her children, they went there full time until they started primary school, when they went into primary school, my sister would drop them at creche, at 7am, the creche brought them to school and collected them and brought them back to the creche for after school care and my sister collected them in the evening. She was lucky with this creche as many don't offer this and some don't open until 8am, her hours were 8-4 so it was a life saver for her, expensive but was ideal. So that's another thing to consider, if there's a local creche, as not every town has one. What they offer and if it will suit you. You can also check with the school if they do anything. When mine went years ago there was nothing, just basically dropping them off and collecting at home time, I do be hearing from others how their schools are doing a breakfast club or a couple of hours after school, not all schools some are still just school hours, but worth asking.

It probably seems like a heck of a lot to organise, but you're doing everything at once so can seem overwhelming. List out your needs and number them in order of importance and work from there.

Best of luck

Thethreecs · 18/08/2022 13:09

Yikes SO sorry that was MUCH longer than I thought

Thirder · 18/08/2022 13:17

When we moved back to Ireland from London, we went over for a week, stayed with relatives, did loads of viewings and organised a house in that week. We had a couple of references in a folder, a pile of cash (literally) for a deposit and that worked for us. Also, most places for rent don't use daft.ie. Go to local shops and check noticeboards.
You will find a place with enough digging. Outside of the main cities, landlords don't want complete strangers so empathise any connections to the place, eg, my in laws are from X up the road, my dh works for Y company. Child will be going to such school.
All those comments will help to secure a place in country towns. Show commitment to the area.

Regarding school, don't worry about absences, much easier going that the UK. Day is shorter though, most infants classes finish before 2pm.

Vic820331 · 18/08/2022 22:02

Thanks so much for this information! It really does help to know the detail as the school aspect is the thing I’m most anxious about. Our little boy attends catholic school here so we’d be keen for that to continue. It’s also good to hear about the length of the school day and childcare options as that will definitely have an impact on what we are able to do jobwise. I aM keen to get baCk to work but we do get some help from my parents atm over here.

good to hear about daft.ie as I was starting to worry that was all there was! I defo think getting to a location and trying to make contacts would be a good start so good to hear that’s how you made it work. We do know a few people around the area we are looking in so hoping that helps!

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EarringsandLipstick · 18/08/2022 22:14

OP I'm sorry to sound negative but you need to do a lot more planning before coming over here.

Firstly renting. There's virtually nothing for rent in Ireland; it used to be that just Dublin was a problem, maybe the other cities but it's everywhere. There is a massive shortage at present.

If you came over to the in-laws thinking it was temporary, you could get a big shock & be stuck there for ages.

Your DH has a job - that's great. I am not sure where he's based? I would 100 % ask for help re renting from his employer. Do not come over without a house organised.

I think you need to do a bit more recce work & suss out how much you'd like Kilkenny. It's massively different than London & you need to really consider if it's the lifestyle for you. (I live in Dublin - I wouldn't move there; it's lovely but not for me)

You also need to really check out schools. Most DC are 5 starting school. The cut off varies but most schools stipulate that they are 4 by end Jan / Feb of the year of entry. You'll have kids who turned 5 in the summer, and ones who are still 4 when they start.

Your DS will be in the class most relevant to his UK education, not age - usually.

With regard to your own work, you should have reasonable options but I'd say initially getting settled in will take a while before you suss out what you want to do.

Do not come without accommodation secured!

EarringsandLipstick · 18/08/2022 22:16

Also, most places for rent don't use daft.ie.

Yes, and no.

While this is true in part, the days of ads in the local shop are greatly reduced. The limited supply of recital property on Daft is indicative of the rental shortage. It's really bad at present.

EarringsandLipstick · 18/08/2022 22:19

Wfh is not something that really happens here, there's very few jobs like that here. So nearly everyone travels,

This is entirely wrong, sorry. It's possibly that poster's experience but since the pandemic, working from home & hybrid working is definitely a thing!

The travelling aspect has hugely reduced.

You most likely will have some opportunity to wfh as well as working on-site but of course it depends on the job.

junebirthdaygirl · 18/08/2022 22:23

Actually getting your child sorted with school will be probably the easiest bit so don't panic about that. And there are lots of Catholic schools so be no problem there.
It's good if you dh is here first so you are not all running around looking for a place.
There are a lot of new houses being built in Kilkenny at the moment but they won't be coming on stream for possibly a year.
It will all work out step by step.