How 'woke' is Ireland?

[purpleplatypus2022]

Not looking for a debate on the rights and wrongs of this ideology. Just curious as to how deep-rooted this is in Ireland? As compared to say the UK (somewhat esp. in the public sector) and US (very much, though more in Democrat leaning areas).

I chose to hope Bessie, and that choice keeps me going and doing whatever little things I can.

I guess ultimately if I gave up that hope then I would feel I had let down all the millions of women before me, and across the world, who have suffered, and continue to suffer.

And kids do grow up.

It’s the grown men acting like spoilt, entitled bullies that need tackling - they are the root of it all.

I was talking to a young guy who is GC last week. He said something interesting : ' They'll never forgive us for being right about this'. His point being he has been ostracised by some of his friends but will get no brownie points when the madness stops either.

Interesting that this discussion has centred on trans self-ID, which is just one small element of the woke ideology.

My concerns with woke ideology is far more in the realm of free speech. Scotland provides a useful warning sign as to how things could play out - people fined for making jokes, pushing pronoun usage in the civil service, and now Queen Nicola wanting to the ability to police what people in private in their own home, as well bedding in permanently the 'temporary' powers she granted to herself in lockdown.

All this in the name of 'being kind' and the 'greater good' of course. Though as America shows the end result will more likely hyper-polarisation, a breakdown in social trust and political chaos.

This doesn't need to even be formally legislated. Just having this promoted from on high in a company can easily mean having to play along if you want to keep your job or get promoted.

Amazes me that the woke people support all this as the pendulum can easily swing the other way - as Ireland knows all too well, having spent the best part of the 20th century under the thumb of a pedophile-enabling cult that banned a raft of films and books and enforced its anti-sex, anti-woman and anti-gay doctrines on the population by law.

If you largely accept child chemical castration, experimental cosmetic surgery on children, embracing assertions that are antiscientific (at the most basic levels) as fact, teaching those antiscientific assertions to kids, and censoring/legally going after people who believe in reality…that’s what ‘woke’ entails on this side of the pond. So yes, that’s something a sane person should consider before moving there.

Ridiculous statement

Abhannmor's post is a good summation. In addition , you need to look at the "hate speech" legislation if you're concerned about freedom of speech. Also have a look at the RSE curriculum ncca.ie/media/5611/draft-junior-cycle-social-personal-and-health-education-sphe-short-course-curriculum-specification.pdf If this gets taught to and absorbed by children then the next number of years is going to get really messy. Also keep an eye on the development of "gender services" for children. Red flags are being waved by clinicians in the adult services (NGS) but politicians are keeps their heads firmly up their arses where they appear to see votes and/or an easy virtue-signalling life. Charlie Flanagan has just become the first politician to be reported in the media as having noticed the issues and flagged them to the Min for Health and the Min for Children. Two months in he's waiting for a response. If you're considering a move here then keep watching. Where we are is one thing but where we may go and how much damage will be done are as yet unclear but some of the signs are very worrying.

All this in the name of 'being kind' and the 'greater good' of course. Though as America shows the end result will more likely hyper-polarisation, a breakdown in social trust and political chaos.

Political chaos in America is down to all things 'woke'?

Claiming such a thing makes you sound like a simpleton.

Name calling may be effective in closing down an argument but I've yet to see it be effective in changing an opinion or moving forward a discussion.

If you've reasons you think the statement is nonsense then would you not explain why?

I'd be genuinely interested in reading your analysis. While the US is clearly in the state described I would struggle to see "wokeism" as the cause but I think it is a contributor to the worsening of the situation. I'd love to get a sense of how others read it. I'd also be interested in why (or indeed if) the poster meant to suggest that it was the cause/sole cause. How transferable the outcomes are is another question given the differences in political systems and histories.

It is not woke at all. Of course depends where you are and what age. It really does. When the women's soccer team sang a song that the twitterati deemed inappropriate, you will find that the average irish person thought nothing of it. The song referred to the IRA of 1916 to 1922 and no-one outside of irish people get that. Why should they be quiet about their history. The fact it ent to no.1 in the charts here should suggest the rebels are still alive😀

Amazes me that the woke people support all this as the pendulum can easily swing the other way - as Ireland knows all too well, having spent the best part of the 20th century under the thumb of a pedophile-enabling cult that banned a raft of films and books and enforced its anti-sex, anti-woman and anti-gay doctrines on the population by law. great diatribe until the end 2 words.

nobody outside of ireland really has a clue what it is like to be an irish person at 10 or at 20, 30, 40, 50 etc. all this stereotyping is maddening. Anyone can find their place in Ireland, but know you'll always be discussed behind your back, if that is not acceptable then go elsewhere.

I have never lived in a more tolerant and gentle society

Qatar is not tolerant. We can’t celebrate foreign holidays at all, because it’s un-Islamic. Come on!

So true. People won't forgive you for being right.

Also re:Ireland I’ve found it super woke for years (I’m only ever in Dublin though). It’s like people of
my generation are quick to follow trendy beliefs in an attempt to distance themselves from the strict Catholicism of the past.

But—I have noticed Irish people are more likely to
voice GC views in just the last year … which is a very welcome change

Name calling may be effective in closing down an argument but I've yet to see it be effective in changing an opinion or moving forward a discussion.
I can't see any name calling on this thread.

Yes this is my pet theory about Ireland and Scotland. Both in headlong flight from churches and desperate to be seen as a liberal poster child . So anything the churches might have misgivings about must perforce be a good thing . It doesn't have to be examined in any way , just affirmed.

The English don't have these hangups. They've been secular atheist/ agnostic forever. So they don't care if being Gender Critical puts you on the same side as Christians or Muslims. It is irrelevant to them.

The USA is a bit different. Evangelicals over there could be pro trans for the same reason the mullahs are in eg Iran : they hate gay ppl. And would prefer a ' trans daughter " to a gay son.

I'd consider referring to someone as a simpleton as name-calling. Whatever you call it it doesn't help in moving a discussion on or in effectively challenging an opinion.