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Nervously sticking my head around the door

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Shedbuilder · 13/06/2020 19:23

Hello, I'm the idiot who started an Is it a good idea to move to Ireland? thread on AIBU this afternoon. It's been suggested I post here. I wouldn't otherwise have dared to because I'm not Irish.

Basically my partner and I (lesbian couple) are distressed by Brexit and the direction the UK is taking. My partner is British-born but from a family with strong roots in Ireland and she has an Irish passport and has spent a fair bit of time over the course of her life in Ireland. She wants to live in Co Wexford and is looking at houses in villages around Enniscorthy. I've been to that area for a long weekend for a family wedding but apart from that don't know it. I've had maybe a dozen holidays/ trips in the Republic: I'm a tourist basically.

We don't have children. We have work that we will bring with us. My partner works remotely for a German firm and can almost certainly continue that from Ireland. I have a small specialist construction business that I should be able to continue in Ireland and which I would hope to grow so that I can employ people. We have pensions etc. I'm only mentioning this to make it clear that we will not be a drain on the state.

Friends are really important to me. I'm nervous of ending up in what will be a foreign country and being forever the outsider because I'm English. As a older lesbian I'm kind of used to, but still vulnerable to, that sense of being 'othered'. I have friends in Spain and the Netherlands who talk of always being outsiders. My partner really doesn't understand this but my experience on AIBU (poor choice of words, saying things that weren't meant as critical but were read as critical) has confirmed that I may have to spend the rest of my life with my mouth shut.

What I didn't say on that thread, because it didn't seem relevant at the time, was that I spent four years living in Belfast and later in Derry. Going there from cosmopolitan London was an eye-opener — and because I'm English I was actually welcome there on the whole. My partner feels very much at home in Ireland. Because she has family there and because she grew up within the culture, she doesn't see the differences and difficulties I do. I don't know if any of this is making sense. I'm a bit shaken by the AIBU experience.

I'd be particularly interested in hearing the reactions of those who've moved to Ireland from the UK and elsewhere. I understand from what some people said on that thread that where we settle may make a big difference to my experience. My partner wants to get over there as soon as possible. If I'm not prepared to do so then it may mean the end of or a major change in our long relationship so this is a big deal for me.

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hopeishere · 14/06/2020 13:12

If everyone you know and trust in NI wants reunification then you must be mixing with a very small selection of people.

saveeno · 14/06/2020 17:50

ROI is not ready to take on the basket case of NI. Nothing to do with politics, more the cost of it. I doubt the majority of ROI want it either right now. Too early, too much Covid, not enough cohesion apart from Covid. Thank God Arlene woke up and realised this. For once she didn't follow Johnson et al.

It's very early days. It may happen within ten years. But Brexit is a biggie for NI and ROI. So we shall see.

It was always the economy, stupid.

isadoradancing123 · 14/06/2020 21:06

Britains history throughout the world in the past is appalling, and its treatment of Ireland in the past is atrocious, but does Ireland still hold this against the British citizens of today

OchonAgusOchonO · 14/06/2020 21:29

but does Ireland still hold this against the British citizens of today

Of course not. However, there is a particular type of English person who tends to be arrogant, ignorant and exhibits xenophobic attitudes towards Ireland and the Irish. These get short shirft.

OchonAgusOchonO · 14/06/2020 21:33

Shrift not shirft

saveeno · 14/06/2020 21:55

The exceptionalism of Britain (evidenced in Brexit negotiations), together with a post colonial arrogance, and a dollop of hubris is not a nice thing to see from any viewpoint, but many may disagree.

The hard right hooligans that we saw over the weekend are abhorrent, and when they go abroad they are the same...sorry now, but that element is. I'm only talking about a certain cohort and we all know who they are. Shudder.

Irish people do not hate the British on a personal level at all, it is the overall historical element to our combined histories that rankles sometimes if a British person fails to understand it. That's all.

AngelaScandal · 15/06/2020 06:09

www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/michael-portillo-ignorance-of-ireland-among-the-british-is-rather-shocking-1.4278893?mode=amp

Thought of this thread. Not a pop at you OP, unless you studied Irish history at A level you simply wouldn’t be exposed to it In the normal course of things.
Re. NI - I’m sure you know there are plenty sane and sensible people that dont Seek reunification. Important to give airing to all voices on all sides.

LadyEloise · 16/06/2020 08:48

I thought some posters were rude to you on the other thread Shedbuilder.

Whatever you decide I hope you'll be happy.

Thisismytimetoshine · 16/06/2020 08:51

I'm hoping for unification, but it still seems a long way off.
There are no words...

Shedbuilder · 16/06/2020 09:16

Thanks, Lady Eloise. It's actually fine. In fact it's giving me a much clearer idea of what's involved than if everyone had been helpful and charming.

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