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AmericaniZation of Irish children's accents, outside of Dublin too or just in Dublin?

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Charismam · 27/01/2018 13:58

I was at an exhibition at my daughter's school, in South Dublin granted, but every single one of them who got up and spoke had an American accent, and one that went up at the end. One even referred to sneakers when she was talking about a trip that involved abseiling. It's a great school and I'm happy with it but I'm just wondering is this phenomenon happening in the wesht of Ireland or are you lot resisting better? Not one of them seemed capable of pronouncing a 't' properly. id was all wader boddle, liderally, todally...
One of the activities at the school is debating (debading) and the ones who are selected for being the most 'artikulid' do it too. There is no respite. It is so refreshing to hear a donegal accent or a cork accent that isn't a mangled hybrid of an accent. I realise older people have always believe young people can't speak, so I'm just observing with interest honestly. Languages and accents evolve, I know that.

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BlackAmericanoNoSugar · 01/02/2018 09:45

I haven't noticed an Americanisation at all. Perhaps that's because I don't really hear that many children talking except at pick up time at the DC's schools, if I were on public transport more maybe I would hear it. DS has just started secondary so perhaps he will develop it, DD is still in national school, they both just sound like normal South Dublin protestants to me (there is a slight accent difference, to do with almost all South Dublin protestants going to the same few schools).

We moved back here when the DC were young from East London and DS changed from sounding like a pearly prince to being exactly the same as his classmates within two months so he does follow the popular speaking trends.

BlackAmericanoNoSugar · 02/02/2018 11:33

I thought of this thread when I was in the car this morning. There was an ad for backpacker travel insurance that I've heard before and assumed was spoken by an American who had lived in Ireland for a while, but now I'm wondering if she is actually an Irish native with the Americanisation that you've been talking about.

mathanxiety · 03/02/2018 22:22

Whattowear, I left south Dublin in the late 80s, and on my visits home in the 90s the new accent that was at that time springing up there hit me straight in the face. Those 'O' sounds Shock. My ears Shock. It has only got worse with the morphing of that new accent into YouTube accents.

I agree it's not pure American - the minute any of these kids opens his or her mouth in the US they will be asked if they are Australian - but it bears little relation to the way people used to speak in south Dublin.

I am talking about one of the heartlands of south Dublin too - the Foxrock, Killiney, Dalkey axis.

Any opinions on the Carlow accent?

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Charismam · 04/02/2018 22:23

It's a bit much to say that the accent is fake OKpedro!

We're all products of our environments. Parents/schools/neighbours etc. I guess it's perspective. There's a man in my office, very Dub, solt of dee ort type accent and I used to listen to him on the phone sometimes and I think you are hamming that up for the gallery surely. But it never slips. EVER. He was talking about a board once, there'd been an accident at an electricity plant, somebody died as a result of a board flying in. I pictured a big piece of flat wood flying in but he meant a bird. I tried not to look too obviously 'set straight' finally when the penny dropped.

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honeyrider · 04/02/2018 23:19

I'm currently watching First Dates Ireland, a woman from Wicklow is on and it's very hard to understand what she's saying, she asked for a glass of pinot grigio and the bloke thought she asked for peanuts. Grin

OkPedro · 05/02/2018 01:48

Fair enough op but the dubs I know and grew up with would be horrified to hear a fellow dub pronounce Bird as Board
It just isn't a genuine accent
It's fake

mathanxiety · 05/02/2018 02:29

Board is bird in some other accents outside of Dublin though.

makeitso · 05/02/2018 08:17

DD says diaper sometimes ConfusedShock

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Charismam · 06/02/2018 17:33

Pedro nobody fakes saying board instead of bird. Its a very strong dublin accent. Are all accents fake except your own?!

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Ineedtomovehouse · 06/02/2018 19:59

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Doobydoo · 06/02/2018 20:03

Agree OP we haven't lived in Ireland for 9 years but noticed it then....Co.Waterford. I think it's happening in U.K too. Ds at age if 7 had printed honework for Maths and English referring to Baseball and American spellings(school in U K) Lots of gottens and Moms...I have noticed on mumsnet too.....din't think they are all from USA.

Doobydoo · 06/02/2018 20:06

Also what badb said

mathanxiety · 06/02/2018 21:17

Apparently 'mom' is a solid and longstanding usage in the north of England. Maybe not Mommy though.

eloisesparkle · 07/02/2018 07:25

My grandmother calls her now deceased mother, Mom. And she's from Kerry.

Makeitso · 07/02/2018 09:38

My friend from Kerry calls her mother “Mom” but I think it’s more like the Irish pronunciation of mam than the americaised “Mo om”

DramaAlpaca · 07/02/2018 20:02

DH & his siblings always called their mother 'mom'. She was from Kerry too.

giraffesatthezoo · 08/02/2018 19:44

Gotten is irish. We never stopped using it.

A lot of 'americanisations' are old English words that the English who went to America and the Irish who learned English a few hundred years ago just didn't stop using.

The south Dublin accent has definitely shifted but not as dramatically as people are suggesting. I watched an interesting programme years ago talking about the evolution of accents in the royal family, the difference between the vowel sounds of the queen and William and Harry. It's that kind of generational shift that's happened in the south Dublin accent, not watching too much television.

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Charismam · 08/02/2018 21:33

I love that stuff. ARe there linguists sitting around studying accents?! Great job.

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OkPedro · 08/02/2018 22:33

charismam I think you're confusing Board with Burd.
In a strong Dublin accent Bird sounds like Burd emphasis on the UR sound
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Charismam · 08/02/2018 23:13

Im not confused about what I heard. There is an accent balkybrack/sallynoggin/shankill that pronounces bird like bored.

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Charismam · 08/02/2018 23:14

Not every body of course but there is more to dublin accents than... the liberties ykwim

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OkPedro · 09/02/2018 01:17

charismam
You started this thread asking whether others have noticed the change in accents
I don't know why you have taken issue with my opinion
I live in Dublin and I hear different Dublin accents everyday
To me a strong Dublin accent is inner city.. north or south
That's where you won't hear the wader bottle, todally accent

mathanxiety · 09/02/2018 04:34

Ronnie Drew came from Dun Laoghaire and went to the CBS national school at Eblana Avenue.

Here he is talking about much the same topic as we are discussing on this thread as it turns out.

It's a distinctive accent, different from the inner city accent.

The Shankill/Ballybrack/Sallynoggin accent is very similar to Ronnie Drew's.

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Charismam · 09/02/2018 19:58

I just can't figure out why you think various accents are fake and then tell me im confused that some dubs saying board for bird. No issue at all. Wine

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Charismam · 09/02/2018 19:59

Thanks for that Mathanxiety

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