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The housing crisis

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MotherOfRatios · 21/04/2023 19:52

Incoming rant, interested to hear what others think the solution is.

I'm mid 20s and I work in public affairs so not earning lots mid £30sk
My job is really focused in London and I do check the civil service website as I'm aware that there is jobs opening up in the north but I haven't found any that I like. Also many jobs continue to be in London for my type of work and no I don't wish to change sector. I love my job and the sector that I work in.

As one thing I see in regards to the housing crisis is change jobs/change where you live. So the above is the caveat that.

Renting is becoming more unaffordable. The average price of a room in London is about £1000. That is also a room, not a flat. (See article below) yes you could move further out, but I am in a job that requires me to be in the office four days a week for my organisation, and I have calculated the cost from commuting towns and it isn't any cheaper, plus I still enjoy a night out with my friends and as a woman I wouldn't feel safe getting an Uber back too my town because trains often don't run at 3am in the morning.

https://www.standard.co.uk/homesandproperty/renting/revealed-the-explosion-of-the-ps1-000-room-as-swathes-of-london-become-unaffordable-to-renters-b1072776.html

Some might say well buy a house or buy a flat, but I come from a black working-class family and I don't have the money for a deposit and rent takes up most of my earnings therefore I can't save for a deposit. Plus I've read various negative things about the shared ownership scheme, so even that is an option.

My tenancy on my current flat with my flatmates is coming up soon, and my landlord Landlord wants to raise it by a large amount, we have been looking at new flats, and the current prices are just so unaffordable.

Obviously they should build more social housing, but we have a problem in this country of wage stagnation combined with high house prices.

Does anyone else just wish the government would actually focus on the housing crisis? I have been thinking about low-paid workers in London and how if they can't afford to rent in London does that mean we'll see a mass exodus of waitresses and baristas? Then what happens to the economy? It really irritates me how the government don't take this seriously.

Revealed: the 33 London postcodes where average rent is £1,000 per month or more

The number of postcodes where average monthly rents cost £1,000 or more has more than quadrupled in a year

https://www.standard.co.uk/homesandproperty/renting/revealed-the-explosion-of-the-ps1-000-room-as-swathes-of-london-become-unaffordable-to-renters-b1072776.html

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MotherOfRatios · 22/04/2023 20:40

Winter2020 · 22/04/2023 20:06

Anti landlord policies are encouraging landlords to sell up. Nothing wrong with this if the government could offer a social alternative but they can't. The government need to hold off on further anti landlord policies until they have alternative housing to provide.
Great news about some properties starting to need planning permission to be air b&bs. Hoping for more of that.
Great news about second homes starting to pay double/x3/x4 council tax. Hoping to see more of that.

Residential housing - even in national parks/beauty spots/the seaside/the capital should be for long term housing. Visitors should stay in hotels/caravan parks etc.

I don't understand why government/local authorities don't look to buy /build some housing with mortgages. If they are paying 1k a month housing benefit to the landlord anyway they might as well pay a mortgage as at least that would end after 30 years etc. Like for homeowners it might be more expensive at first and they would need to maintain themselves but rents only keep going up.

For me it's the landlords who have several BTL properties because they also isn't helping FTBs as we can't compete with them.

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BaronessEllarawrosaurus · 23/04/2023 11:25

Loria · 22/04/2023 01:14

Doesn't the king technically own all the land in the country anyway? Fucker.

But yeah take a few of his estates off him. There's a whole bunch of other people that have got land off the back of him too and all they do with it is shoot deer etc. Have a bit of that as well.

But also like a pp suggested there are bits of public assets that get sold off all the time. Old nurses' accommodation, old municipal offices etc. Often these are in central urban locations. Instead of handing them over to some developer that has got a councillor in his back pocket, make them into affordable homes.

Take the dutchy of Lancaster for example and the bit of it I know near forest of Bowland, nofucker would want to live there, well not as affordable housing. No transport links, shit access to motorways,very little work locally.

With regards to building affordable housing on urban regeneration sites the issues are frequently who does the actual building, you still need the developers involved and once they are involved they'll use every trick available to get out of providing affordable housing or even s106 contributions. Most housing associations don't have the facilities to actually build social housing themselves.

Uni68 · 23/04/2023 22:04

Housing crisis will only worsen. Previously worked for a developer now public sector in planning. Reality is politics are the issue and forever will be. The fact that tories are stepping back from targets that aren’t actually meeting needs to begin with (looks good on paper for voters/realistic build rates) speaks volumes.

let’s say in an ideal world government invested money into house building programs for market and social housing. A) where does the money come from? B) developers want to maximise profit like any business and there could be genuine viability or infrastructure issues which affects profit margins. Yes it’s a lot of money generated on site but to keep supply churning it’s a costly business to run. c) council does not like a site or it’s politically suicide in terms of members own agenda. For instance no one likes greenfield/green belt development, the older community objects it goes through appeal delays the process in turn increasing shortage of housing which then increases supply/demand/price.
d) Councils across the country are delaying local plans which identify large scale development because at the moment they are in limbo over what the government intends to do at a national level. Likely awaiting labour to form next government and see how they deliver. Brownfield/regeneration would be great but costly depending on remediation. The other issue is in urban areas the sites preferred are generally are located in the poorer areas where people don’t want to buy in and developers don’t want to build in.

Fretfulmum · 24/04/2023 22:17

Sorry OP it’s just going to get worse. I would move wherever you can afford to buy and try to find another job, before every house in any area is out of your reach. It will soon be corporate landlords who will own the majority of homes in the UK. Just like in the US where banks are buying more homes than ever. Try getting any repairs done when you’re dealing with a corporate landlord.

MotherOfRatios · 24/04/2023 22:42

Fretfulmum · 24/04/2023 22:17

Sorry OP it’s just going to get worse. I would move wherever you can afford to buy and try to find another job, before every house in any area is out of your reach. It will soon be corporate landlords who will own the majority of homes in the UK. Just like in the US where banks are buying more homes than ever. Try getting any repairs done when you’re dealing with a corporate landlord.

Unfortunately I love my job and we need more people of my background in my job.

i refuse to buy a house in a job I'm not happy in

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ConkerBonkers · 24/04/2023 22:47

Hi op while I sort of see your point, I do think you need to re-evaluate the importance of getting back home at 3am Vs owning a house...if you do want to own a house at some point. Start saving, save hard, get a second job, move somewhere cheaper so you can save harder, yes it will mean total lifestyle change, but it is doable. One thing is for sure, it's nigh on impossible if living in London and on a low to average wage, only working one job, with no overtime pay.

MotherOfRatios · 24/04/2023 23:04

ConkerBonkers · 24/04/2023 22:47

Hi op while I sort of see your point, I do think you need to re-evaluate the importance of getting back home at 3am Vs owning a house...if you do want to own a house at some point. Start saving, save hard, get a second job, move somewhere cheaper so you can save harder, yes it will mean total lifestyle change, but it is doable. One thing is for sure, it's nigh on impossible if living in London and on a low to average wage, only working one job, with no overtime pay.

Personally I don't aspire to home ownership and that's ok

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Tiredalwaystired · 22/10/2023 16:52

Nimbostratus100 · 21/04/2023 21:23

some people in London have a carparking space on the road, outside where they live, and another at their place of work. How is it OK for a car to have two places to be, and a human to have nowhere?

I’ve read this three times and I still dont understand where anything in that sentence will make a difference to housing. Surely the answer is “because humans can’t live in the 7ft space that a car fits in..?”

MatthewsMumFromTikTok · 22/10/2023 17:29

I think it's clear enough... a car has 2 homes whereas it's owner has none

Anyway....why dredge up a zombie thread?

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