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This is unreal - the new variant - anyone have it

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GreenPebbles · 19/10/2024 09:34

I am not ill and I don't have it. I had COVID in the summer and I know it's likely only just around the corner again.

Did anyone have COVID recently? How was it?

I came across this on twitter. Apparently there's a new variant called XEN.

It looks a lot like the original Wuhan variant. It appears as if people are getting better and then by the second week there is respiratory distress.

I mean like WHAT THE HOLY FUCK?

I mean like how can this be allowed to spread if this is happening?

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paleblueeye · 22/10/2024 23:13

adviceneeded1990 · 22/10/2024 20:12

How can this data be linked to covid reliably though? I’m not doubting it I just don’t understand. I had covid in 2020, if I am diagnosed type 2 diabetic tomorrow is someone somewhere going to link it to my positive test? How do we know I wouldn’t have become diabetic anyway? I have no scientific background so maybe I’m missing something.

From one study (done in 2021, there have been multiple studies done since with similar results) that I linked earlier:

it's becoming clear that people who recover from COVID have an increased risk of developing a variety of other diseases. A study published online April 22, 2021, by the journal Nature compared 73,000 U.S. veterans who survived COVID to nearly five million non-hospitalized veterans without COVID, and to another large group with pneumonia caused by influenza. The two comparison groups were similar to the COVID group in terms of age, sex, race and ethnicity, neighborhood where they lived, past medical history, use of medical services, and other measures. All groups were followed for an average of four months. During that time, people who "recovered" from COVID were more likely to develop new health problems — including heart attacks, high blood pressure, diabetes, high cholesterol, inflammation of their muscles, and blood clots that traveled to their lungs. The risk of dying during the study was 60% higher for the COVID patients. Something about the way the body responded to the coronavirus caused people to become more vulnerable to diseases, even after symptoms caused by the virus ended. Although the risk of these diseases was highest in people who'd been sickest with COVID, even those who were mildly ill had an increased risk.

adviceneeded1990 · 22/10/2024 23:21

DanielaDressen · 22/10/2024 22:35

But there’s been a sudden jump in diabetes and no sudden correlating jump on obesity. Plus the spike in diabetes diagnosis seems to be in the three months following Covid and even higher/more concentrated during the acute Covid illness. 🤷‍♀️

the blood clots is tricky as both covid itself and the vaccine have been shown statistically to raise the risk of clots. My daughter had a massive pulmonary embolism at the age of 21 with no risk factors (not even on the pill). It was about a month after having the vaccine, and about 4 months after having Covid. She is 100% sure it was due to the vaccine but it’s possible it was from Covid. We’ll never know for sure. But her consultant haematologist said that anecdotally he’s seen a big rise in young people with clots since Covid/covid vaccines. And that’s definitely backed up by official stats.

I’ve heard that a lot about the blood clots in younger people, it’s really worrying!

Flowers4me · 23/10/2024 09:09

I developed long covid in 2020 during the first wave but at the time the term long covid didn't exist. It was very difficult to access medical support at the time because covid was only understood as something that affected the lungs. It was incredibly frightening to feel so sick in the early days of the pandemic but unable to get medical care. Even my GP didn't want to know. In desperation, like a lot of others across the globe at the time, I reached out to others over social media to try and find answers or ways to help myself. To cut a long story short, this led to long covid being created by some patient-advocates which helped massively for those of us rejected by the medical establishment at the time.

Some interesting articles.

How and why patients made Long Covid - ScienceDirect

Long COVID: major findings, mechanisms and recommendations | Nature Reviews Microbiology

Poffy · 23/10/2024 09:59

adviceneeded1990 · 21/10/2024 21:57

But if people aren’t testing how can they know? When I had glandular fever as a student I was wiped out and struggling for months, a lecture or a shift at my job felt like a marathon. It was horrific. How are we ensuring that the people self reporting have actually tested and it is definitely post covid symptoms? There are so many ways the data we are getting could be incorrect.

It's one reason to test, in case of complications or long term symptoms it might be useful. Although I'm not sure the treatment or management would be any different.

SoiledMyselfDuringSomeTurbulence · 28/10/2024 09:13

GreenPebbles · 22/10/2024 12:44

Why is it lock or down with you. There's a middle ground and other posters provided a fantastic list.

  • masks in certain situations like public transport and hospitals
  • better air quality controls
  • government supports for people to stay off work and school when ill
  • governments should get behind the new nasal vaccines in development and push for a quicker release. Currently 2027 is an estimate.
  • a hygiene campaign with TV adverts showing people how to wash their hands properly, how to cough and sneeze properly.

Covid will never be eliminated however I think some measures should be brought in to reduce it.

I think it's wrong to have such high levels of sickness float about.

I can't tell whether you want masks to be compulsory or optional, but attempts at either now would be a pointless waste of resources. We don't have a population who buy into it, so it won't happen. Neither can you expect public transport bodies to take any responsibility for enforcement. Can't see a hygiene campaign making any difference either. That takes a level of trust in the state and public health advice that we do not currently have.

Pyjamatimenow · 28/10/2024 22:28

DanielaDressen · 22/10/2024 22:35

But there’s been a sudden jump in diabetes and no sudden correlating jump on obesity. Plus the spike in diabetes diagnosis seems to be in the three months following Covid and even higher/more concentrated during the acute Covid illness. 🤷‍♀️

the blood clots is tricky as both covid itself and the vaccine have been shown statistically to raise the risk of clots. My daughter had a massive pulmonary embolism at the age of 21 with no risk factors (not even on the pill). It was about a month after having the vaccine, and about 4 months after having Covid. She is 100% sure it was due to the vaccine but it’s possible it was from Covid. We’ll never know for sure. But her consultant haematologist said that anecdotally he’s seen a big rise in young people with clots since Covid/covid vaccines. And that’s definitely backed up by official stats.

Member of the family had a massive brain bleed and has been left disabled. Forties, not overweight, non smoker, didn’t drink much. The doctors told her it was probably the Covid vaccine. I couldn’t believe it

MargaretThursday · 29/10/2024 20:04

If you look at the death statistics for cardiovascular diseases, you can see the huge spike in March 2020 and January 2021 before all/most people could have got the vaccine (only offered in December 2020), but coinciding with the huge spike in people getting covid.
If it was more likely to get it due to the vaccine, you'd have expected to see it increasing from the point that more people were being offered the vaccine, and certain not that big drop in March to May in 2021.
I got my first in April 2021, as a low risk person, so you can expect a good proportion of people who were going to get a jab would have got one before or around then and as you can see it doesn't really spike again in the same way, but more rumbles on... like cases of covid.
If vaccines were the higher cause then you'd expect to see a notable peak round that summer.

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