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Covid-19 vaccines seem to cut the risk of heart attacks and strokes (New Scientist)

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Garlickit · 27/02/2024 18:49

https://www.newscientist.com/article/2418619-covid-19-vaccines-seem-to-cut-the-risk-of-heart-attacks-and-strokes

Many covid-19 vaccines appear to reduce the risk of heart attacks, strokes and other blood clot conditions for at least six months after they are administrated, according to a study of the health of about 46 million people amid the coronavirus pandemic. This is despite them causing rare side effects that affect the heart and blood clotting system.

The net benefit to heart conditions most probably happens because the vaccines protect against severe covid-19, which itself can cause heart attacks, strokes and blood clots, says William Whiteley at the University of Edinburgh in the UK. “We know that covid-19 increases your risk of having these conditions.”

The finding comes from the largest study of vaccine safety to date, which tracked the health of nearly all adults in England over the first year of its vaccination programme, beginning in December 2020.

As the vaccines were rolled out worldwide, it emerged that those made by AstraZeneca and Johnson & Johnson very rarely caused a distinctive kind of blood clot syndrome, called vaccine-induced thrombotic thrombocytopenia, or VITT. In the UK, for example, there were about 260 such cases, about 50 of whom died, out of nearly 31 million AstraZeneca jabs administered.

As a result, most high-income countries switched to the other main kind of vaccines, made by Pfizer/BioNTech and Moderna, which are based on mRNA, a strand of genetic material that makes human cells temporarily produce the virus spike protein.

These vaccines, however, were then found to occasionally cause inflammation of heart muscle, known as myocarditis. This is roughly as rare as VITT, happening after about 10 in every 1 million vaccinations, but it is a milder condition, usually just causing chest pain and breathlessness. Myocarditis can also be caused by infections, including covid-19.

To find out how these vaccines affected people’s cardiovascular health overall amid the pandemic, Whitely and his team took advantage of UK legislation passed early in the coronavirus outbreak that let covid-19 researchers see the population’s anonymised health records, apart from those of anyone who opted out.

This let them measure the rates of the vaccines’ known side effects as well as all other kinds of heart and blood-clot-related conditions that happened after getting the jabs, including heart attacks, strokes, deep vein thrombosis and blood clots in the lungs. This was compared with the rate of these events in people before they got vaccinated or who never got vaccinated, during the first year of vaccination in the UK.

While they observed the expected rise in VITT and myocarditis after people’s first vaccines, they also saw about a 20 per cent lower rate of more common conditions, such as heart attacks and strokes, once the figures had been adjusted to take account of the fact that older and sicker people were more likely to be vaccinated. The lowering of these common conditions far outweighed the incidence of the very rare side effects, leading to a net benefit.

Kevin McConway at the Open University in the UK says the conclusions hinge on whether the figures were adjusted well enough for possible biases, such as the fact that people may have postponed vaccination if they were in poor health, which would have made the vaccine results look better than they were. “However, this is reassuring in that we didn’t find any evidence that [vaccination] made cardiovascular risk higher,” he says.

“This is the best data that we have so far and it’s very reassuring,” says Beverley Hunt at Thrombosis UK, a charity for people affected by blood clots.

my bolding for rushed readers
Cited paper (preprint): https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2024.02.12.24302698v1.full-text

Covid-19 vaccines seem to cut the risk of heart attacks and strokes

Many covid-19 vaccines occasionally cause side effects such as blood clots or heart inflammation, but, overall, they appear to be beneficial in preventing heart and circulatory conditions

https://www.newscientist.com/article/2418619-covid-19-vaccines-seem-to-cut-the-risk-of-heart-attacks-and-strokes

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Cornettoninja · 28/02/2024 07:04

I suppose my question is UK specific, but I wonder if the data has shown any variations as the groups eligible for boosters have narrowed and the length of time since the national programme. I presume that will be a more complex data set as the eligible groups will almost certainly have more variations to take into account.

Yogitruthseeker · 04/05/2024 18:04

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AreYouVeryAnti · 22/05/2024 10:38

Lol. Another deleted response. Heaven forbid anyone be allowed to decide whether they prefer the opinion of The New Scientist or "Yogitruthseeker" (no offense to you YogiTS).

1dayatatime · 22/05/2024 10:43

I wonder if the benefit against heart attacks / strokes is permanent from one jab or whether it is where the recipient has had frequent booster jabs.

Given that the COVID jab is more like the flu jab in giving a benefit for a period of time and then gradually reducing it's effectiveness over 6-9 months as opposed to say the polio vaccine which offers a life time immunity.

TheHornedOne · 22/05/2024 10:53

I suspect this is relative risk reduction and not absolute risk reduction so probably a very very minor benefit if true.

Reports like this use statistics and misleading terms to obfuscate. Also the paper is not peer reviewed.

There is a lot to unpack on this topic, one biggee is that in the UK we did not aspirate covid intra-muscular jabs when we should have and it may be that not doing so was the root cause of the myocarditis.

Hastingschic · 22/05/2024 12:12

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AreYouVeryAnti · 22/05/2024 16:36

And another comment gone, this time linking to an article from the British Heart Foundation.

Yogitruthseeker · 22/05/2024 17:02

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Garlickit · 22/05/2024 17:14

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It's correlation, @Yogitruthseeker. Thousands of people die after eating a roast dinner, many of them with similar diseases to the same organs.

The unfortunate people you know may well have had roast dinners around the time they noticed they were getting ill. They may also have flown on a plane, been to Spain, drunk wine, walked more than five miles, had sex.

When things happen in the same time frame, it doesn't mean the one thing caused the other.

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Yogitruthseeker · 22/05/2024 19:54

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AreYouVeryAnti · 22/05/2024 22:47

Too right Tedross, too right. MNHQ, do you publish your Talk Guidelines? Are these posts being reported?

Tedross · 22/05/2024 23:07

AreYouVeryAnti · 22/05/2024 22:47

Too right Tedross, too right. MNHQ, do you publish your Talk Guidelines? Are these posts being reported?

MN editorial and certain forum posters have an agenda and almost anything anti, however evidence based, gets reported and taken down. Meanwhile the pro side have free reign to post as much utter un-evidenced rubbish as they like, pretty much unchallenged.

I have a couple of friends who have been unlucky enough to suffer a 'coincidence' quit MN over this because they felt that only one side of the debate ever gets a fair hearing on here.

Nat6999 · 22/05/2024 23:10

Yet there have been so many people having cardiac arrests & other heart problems since having the vaccine. My mum had never had any heart problems before having her jabs & within 6 months of her first one developed an irregular heartbeat, which caused her to have seizures, she had a loop recorder done after the first attack & medication, then after the second attack had to have a pacemaker. She has refused any more jabs since, she would rather take her chances with covid, something they sent her home from hospital with. We had both been so careful to avoid taking any risks to catch covid & she got dumped in an area of
A & E, where everyone was coughing & spluttering, we both tested positive within 48 hours of her coming home. At 84 she sailed through it compared to me who was still testing positive 2 weeks later.

Tedross · 22/05/2024 23:45

Nat6999 · 22/05/2024 23:10

Yet there have been so many people having cardiac arrests & other heart problems since having the vaccine. My mum had never had any heart problems before having her jabs & within 6 months of her first one developed an irregular heartbeat, which caused her to have seizures, she had a loop recorder done after the first attack & medication, then after the second attack had to have a pacemaker. She has refused any more jabs since, she would rather take her chances with covid, something they sent her home from hospital with. We had both been so careful to avoid taking any risks to catch covid & she got dumped in an area of
A & E, where everyone was coughing & spluttering, we both tested positive within 48 hours of her coming home. At 84 she sailed through it compared to me who was still testing positive 2 weeks later.

Careful now, correlation does not mean causation. But it is impossible to have causation without correlation. So, with the correlation so clearly there, I wonder why the government seem so reluctant to look into the causation side of things? You'd have thought that doing so would be an easy victory for them over those pesky anti-vax people as of course the data they have yet to release to the public (but have released to the vaccine manufacturers) would prove beyond doubt that it was 'safe and effective'. It would shut down the whole anti-vax argument in an instant.

MintyVesta · 23/05/2024 05:56

Health misinformation is an online harm. Mumsnet would be adhering to OFCOM guidelines and the law.

Posts about childhood vaccines/autism would get deleted because of the potential harm that could be caused for example.

Tedross · 23/05/2024 06:18

MintyVesta · 23/05/2024 05:56

Health misinformation is an online harm. Mumsnet would be adhering to OFCOM guidelines and the law.

Posts about childhood vaccines/autism would get deleted because of the potential harm that could be caused for example.

Except you tend to find that often, yesterdays health mis-information is usually tomorrows truth. And that mis-information generally means any inconvenient facts that threaten the status quo and those currently in charge of it.

PermanentTemporary · 23/05/2024 06:23

Very interesting and reassuring benefit of vaccines, thanks for posting.

BonifaceBonanza · 23/05/2024 06:30

@tedross I take it you don’t fully understand what cardiovascular disease is? Nor what it means when the British Heart Foundation sat that increased problem with cardiovascular disease in young people has been in evidence for 10 years?

MintyVesta · 23/05/2024 06:59

@Tedross

No. I’d say about 99.99% of the time it continues to be the safest advice.

If you purely focus on 0.01% to try and disprove the 99.99% then that would be non sensical. Or harmful.

And if there was an attempt to ‘cover up’, why would studies/MSM continually assess safety and report on findings?

You seem all too happy to link an easily-findable MSM article/study when you can twist it to support your bias - while in the same breath you think governments across the globe/pharmaceutical companies/global media are all ‘in’ on some mass deception.
You also seem to completely discount regulated/wide-ranging peer review in favour of politically biased authors who have no backing except from other extreme/biased/discredited authors.

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