Sick of narrative that lockdowns were pointless

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I think lots of people are forgetting quite how scary the early days were, overwhelmed hospitals and exhausted (and now a lot burnt out) medical staff.

Many mistakes were made and some things that might have have been avoided but we know with the benefit of hindsight.
Scientists if not politicians were doing their best.

Maybe could distinguish later lockdowns but they weren’t done lightly either, knowing it would affect mental health and business.

I agree. There are many reasons why mental health is a problem for children. Blaming it incorrectly on lockdowns won't help them at all.

In fact it seems at times that children's mental health is being weaponised to justify an economic strategy that would benefit the people arguing for it. So much easier to blame a lockdown than look at how much time you spend with your child, their access to social media, the environment that they are in at school, the impact of living in a blended family, pressure of exams, societal pressure to look a certain way, cyber bullying, lack of access to mental health resources etc. Having family members with long COVID is affecting many children too. There's a lot more going on than historic lockdowns.

That's fair enough and that's why you shouldn't be a policy maker. We can't run the country on who gives a shit, can we.

Cupasoupmonster Your username is apt! What we should do everything to avoid is a situation where doctors have to decide that someone who is a high priority medically will not be treated that way (IE not sent an ambulance in a timely fashion) because other lives matter more. The aim of any health care system is to have the resources to respond to everyone. It is a requirement for a wealthy, developed nation to provide this. The UK has no excuse.

No it was a certainty that people would get it and die. The individuals weren't known but their deaths were a certainty. We had other countries to look at.

The lives of young people were not threatened as such by lockdown. Their quality of life was temporarily undermined. It's not a case of deciding who to throw off a boat. We also didn't know how asthmatic, diabetic children would cope with COVID, or the parents of those children. School teachers, doctors and bus drivers were dying. It was not obvious (and still isn't) that it would have been better to have had this on a larger scale than have quarantines. We're lucky to live at a time when children aren't confined to writing letters to each other either. They can face time, online gaming etc which is what they often do anyway! There has never been more online education available also.

There’s very clear evidence that the lockdowns caused mental health issues in all age groups including children. The consequence is reduced quality of life and in some cases death from suicide/ eating disorders etc. it’s clear that there is a threat to the young from MH (from lockdown and the effects), long waiting lists etc. it’s not such a direct threat but it’s still there and it’s inappropriate not to acknowledge it. Lockdowns also had a dire effect on the elderly through MH/ reduced access to healthcare/ de conditioning but at least they had something to gain I guess

Why do you think that NHS waiting lists would be improved if Covid restrictions had not been in place?

Hear yourself!!!

Do you think the same of disabled people too?

Medical need should be the deciding factor not how old you are or where would you like your ideas to end?

Perhaps we could could decide who gets life saving treatment based on intelligence?

Do you think our political leaders would stop at the elderly?

Weird thread.
In 2020-21 there were lots MNers droning on about how UK should lock borders like NZ and that anyone who went out 2x/day or who drove somewhere to take exercise were evil so-n-sos. Do we recall police fining people who drove somewhere "out of area" ? How times change.

So why not just isolate those that it was a certainty for? Why did everyone have to lockdown and isolate. Surely it would be easier to coordinate and control such a lockdown than a blanket nationwide one?

I do hear myself and I stand by what I said. You have a 2 year old with a severe chest infection and a 90 year old with one, one bed, the kid should get it. End of. ‘Medical need’ generally always falls in favour of the elderly as they are so frail and have so many comorbidities that even a cold can make them dangerously ill. Which is why they’re clogging up our hospitals.

That's one thing I would never want to be. No matter what I thought of the decisions the government made, I wouldn't have wanted to have been the one making them. Whatever they did was going to be wrong.

(Disclaimer, I am NOT defending the government!)

Which is why they’re clogging up our hospitals.

Are you an arsehole in real life or do you save it for online?

Total clap trap.

You have no idea how the NHS works or its end of life pathways.
A elderly person with little chance of survival will rarely be given treatments to prolong life.

But at what age would you draw the line? 2yo vs 90yo but what about a 2yo vs a 30yo or a 2yo vs a 5yo ?

a 2yo vs a disabled 18yr old? who gets the treatment?

The problem is there is no line and Govts would if they adopted these sorts of ideas, never stop.

I could refer you to early 1930s Germany but i wont.

Older people are in hospital, are not getting suitable social care because of Govt underfunding and brexit.

@PinkSparklyPussyCat Probably both 😂

@helford theyre not getting the right care at home because they don’t want to fork out for it so rely on A&E to pick up after their accidents instead.

My mum is a carer for the elderly and is fed up of it - incredibly wealthy elderly individuals living in enormous unsuitable properties, phoning ambulances every week as they fall about all over the place but refuse to pay for a live in carer or a proper care home. They’re in and out of hospital like a revolving door, depriving younger people of much needed treatment. Ask any carer and they will tell you the same.

A lot of the lack of social care is all the carers care homes/community and hospitals staff who were fired for not getting vaccinated despite wearing all the required ppe etc. It was an absolute shit show. People who weren't actually vaccinated them selves and refused to wear masks calling for the sacking of carers who also weren't. The whole 'YOU MUST DO XYZ TO PROTECT ME but I can't be made to do the same' was awful.

New Care packages don't exist in many parts of the UK, regardless of money and most pensioners can't afford them.

I didn't know having a Stroke was an "accident" learn something every day.

I feel sorry for the people she 'cares' for if she has the same attitude towards the elderly as you which, going by your first sentence, it sounds as though she does.

Have you thought (probably not but I'll ask anyway) whether it's because they can't afford a live in carer or a proper care home or they don't want to risk being cared for by people who view them as a nuisance?

It’s not because of that. Some of these people are millionaires. They’re quite open about ‘not wanting the government to get their house’ or ‘why should I pay when I’ve worked all my life’ etc. Very entitled.

Rubbish.

Care at home is means tested, if they are incredibly wealthy, they are already paying for a carer.

I think you re being economical with the truth.

Not at all. They’re paying for care from my mum, but only the bare minimum they need - most of them are at the point of needing 24/7 care but won’t entertain it.

Well, whats the problem? assuming they have capacity to make that judgement, they are free to do so.

With so many visits to AE, why hasn't the falls team and/or safeguarding been in touch? an OT assessment done?