Have people's opinions changed?

[MassiveOverthinker]

Just wondering really, if the last few months have changed people's opinion on how we managed covid in this country.

Anyone wondering if maybe fewer restrictions would've been better and if more draconian ones (often called for) were unnecessary. Anyone wondering if we needed to close schools, swab and isolate our kids, test and trace etc etc.

Or do people generally feel we did what was necessary at the time and are only okayish now because of weaker variants and higher vaccination levels?

Anyone feel less angry at the rule breakers, those who don't want to be vaccinated etc?

If it all happened again, do you think your response to restrictions would be the same, or would you be a bit more inclined to think "sod that for a laugh".

(Asking for a friend).

@MiseryWIthAStent I would love to know what they said?

@HesterShaw1 Because it was and still is selfish. That hasn't changed.

I quite enjoy the waaaah selfish brigade. The lack of self awareness is fun.

What apparently has changed is the meaning of "selfish".

One of the most overused words of the pandemic.

Thought people had finally given up on shouting that when all they really mean is "I disagree with your view so will be all judgemental about it"

I quite enjoy the waaaah selfish brigade. The lack of self awareness is fun.

Never let it be said that there aren't people nostalgic for the lockdown days, when they got to call people 'selfish' for wanting to meet their family or buy a newspaper from the corner shop.

@AppleandRhubarbTart How is it not selfish to increase someone else's risk of death or serious disability because you don't want to wear a mask for, say, 20 minutes?

Enlighten me.

Where's the real world evidence that mask wearing does that in the face of Omicron? Enlighten me.

@tigger1001 I think I have every right to be judgemental about people who think they can be casual and blasé about killing people like me.

Contrary to what you may believe, being CEV is not fun.

@AppleandRhubarbTart So you can't answer the question I asked you.

It's only been a couple of minutes, maybe they're making a cup of tea or something.

I stand by what I thought and what I said. I think we needed the initial lockdown to flatten the curve but I think MN went fucking batshit insane and society just splintered so badly I don't know how well we shall ever recover. But those three weeks to flatten the curve and get our shit in order... they became something they should never have become - and what really pisses me off now is the minimising and parent-blaming on here as the toll of it becomes evident in terms of kids.

It's pretty much 2 years to the day since DD2 fell apart mentally completely with it all - lost much of the ability to speak, and couldn't sleep because of how sad and lonely she was feeling. There were arseholes on here taking great joy in telling me how this little girl needed to learn resilience and calling me a granny murderer for wanting someone to step in and support us. That's what continues to grate with me - the pleasure with which some assumed the mantle of "covid enforcer". My little girl IS resilient - she's a formidable little character - and in many ways, she's bounced back better than a lot have done - but she is still not fully back to where she could have been if it all hadn't gone tits up for 2 years.

As for the assumptions NHS staff are pro-lockdowns... most of the staff I know, and I'm currently working on teams that continued seeing service users throughout the pandemic face to face if needed - and who've had Covid multiple times (5+ in some of their cases) are all now really sick of the minimisation of the impact that it all had on people and that this is just ignored completely.

Schools should never have closed for more than a couple of weeks and we have a massive moral obligation to make right some of the damage we did to children and young people - laying the guilt of "don't kill grandma" onto them, demonising them if they dared do anything other than trudge around their most local street at walking pace, locking up their playgrounds (but remember to get those garden centres and golf courses open) and now vilifying their parents for the issues it's caused in terms of child language delay. We need to be making sure that these kids CAN access speech and language therapy, that they can access mental health services, that the opportunities to regain lost time are made available for them - but in positive ways, not in a bunch of teachers shitting themselves about their performance management and piling that burden onto kids. We won't - but we bloody well should do.

I will go to my grave remembering the awful way some people behaved when given free reign to take pot shots at others in society.

Yes, I loved reading the obituaries of healthcare workers in the New York Times. That was a laugh a minute. Seeing all that wisdom and talent snuffed out. Roflmao.

Definitely an enjoyable period of my life, lockdown. I loved it when I was on home oxygen and couldn't go into hospital safely. So much fun.

When my heart rate dropped dangerously low and my family was monitoring me at home - and the doctors on the other end of the phone said it wasn't safe to come in, but there was no more advice they could give. Not at all traumatic! A pleasant memory!

Some of you really do sound like sociopaths.

@Handyweatherstation They replied with a snarky comment, otherwise I'd agree it's a bit soon for me to be calling them out, yes.

Definitely an enjoyable period of my life, lockdown. I loved it when I was on home oxygen and couldn't go into hospital safely. So much fun.

But lockdown is over, isn't it?

People are moving on with their lives. Maybe you should too.

DH is a medic and had to twice tell young children that their Mum was dead from covid in the adjacent room. The hospital's /ambulance service were overwhelmed at the time. That was pretty shitty and could have been avoided with an earlier second lockdown.

My kids loved lockdown, especially when the rule of 6 came in. They worked in the morning and went out all afternoon with friends.
The way people dying and those in care homes were treated was barbaric. They should have been allowed more freedoms

Your question is based on a premise you've failed to evidence. You need to provide some proof that it's actually correct before anyone can give you an answer of any value.

And presumably if you're throwing insults around, you've got receipts for your claim. So go on. Let's have them.

@Innocenta why were you reading the obituaries of heslthcare workers in the New York Times? Are you in New York? I'd assumed you were in the UK with all your comments on my Specsavers post.

You claimed people are 'nostalgic' for lockdown. My point is that that's offensive, when clearly aimed at posters who, like me, feel a handful of precautions should be maintained. It's very unlikely that more than a smattering of people are genuinely nostalgic.

In practice, it's certainly not possible for me to move in in terms of lifestyle, since my own doctors have directly told me, personally, to continue shielding. I am well aware that's not what every CEV individual is doing, but equally, it's hardly unreasonable to place some trust in my own doctors' assessment of the risk I'm at. I have 'moved on' plenty in terms of changes unrelated to Covid, but unfortunately the reality is that the risk hasn't gone away for people like me.

(That doesn't mean I would want full restrictions or another lockdown. I agree that that would be inappropriate at this point, and the impact on children has been totally disproportionate and excessive.)

@LeftFootForward I am in the UK, but I follow world news.

Well it was safer than spring 2020 in respect that schools had plans in place, PCR testing was generally available and there was a protocol to follow for contacts. Certainly infection numbers dropped during lockdown 2 despite schools remaining open suggesting that they had a decent handle on it.

I may be wrong but I’m pretty sure a few years did go back at the end of lockdown 1 for some weeks at the end of term. It was all factored on infection numbers and when we were opening step by step to monitor the impacts. I don’t necessarily agree with it but I see the reasoning of not going for 0-100 when it was still a time of uncertainty.

Where's the real world evidence that mask wearing does that in the face of Omicron? Enlighten me

why are you focussed on omicron, I thought this thread was looking at the periods of lockdowns/harshest restrictions? Omicron has had no associations with those. There’s been rumblings at points but nothing has ever been put in place specifically for omicron waves.

That's what continues to grate with me - the pleasure with which some assumed the mantle of "covid enforcer".

Yes. That was something quite terrifying. The remnants of it need to be squashed effusively.

Is there a way to mute the notifications from a thread you have already commented on? 😒

why are you focussed on omicron, I thought this thread was looking at the periods of lockdowns/harshest restrictions? Omicron has had no associations with those. There’s been rumblings at points but nothing has ever been put in place specifically for omicron waves.

Because of the use of present tense, I thought we were talking about the situation now with people saying things were still selfish? That was what I was replying to.

You claimed people are 'nostalgic' for lockdown. My point is that that's offensive, when clearly aimed at posters who, like me, feel a handful of precautions should be maintained. It's very unlikely that more than a smattering of people are genuinely nostalgic.

Oh, I think quite a few are nostalgic. When did they get to feel superior to so many people all at once?

And if you're going to argue that "a handful of precautions should be maintained", then it's up to you to make a case that the benefits of these 'precautions' would outweigh the drawbacks. Not just to you, but to society as a whole. Maintaining 'precautions' just because they make you feel better is a bit, what's that word, selfish.

@IcedPurple Well, it was clearly an absolute waste of my time writing a considered reply to you, wasn't it?