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Dishhh · 17/01/2022 08:57

@Delatron

.@Dishhh where have I encouraged people away from vaccination? I am triple vaccinated. You really are a piece of work. The evidence says vaccinations plus an infection offers the best immunity however infection can be risky for some. Doesn’t change this fact though. You get a huge antibody boost from being vaccinated plus being infected.
You can be fully vaccinated and be against vaccine mandates at the same time. Personally, I'd rather avoid vaccine plus infection, thanks.

Don’t you dare imply I’m antivax to try and push your agenda. I have no 'agenda'. I just want the pandemic to end.

If we’re arguing about zero Covid and China again then you doom mongers have really lost the argument. What? I have no idea what this refers to.

What do you want to happen right now? It’s like you can’t accept that most people have moved on and are living their lives normallly. And without fear. I'm not sure how you can extrapolate that from one post.

You must be very pissed off that there wasn’t another lockdown. And there won’t be. And plan B looks set to be gone in a few weeks. What will you all do then? I don't even live in England, so no, not pissed off at all.

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treeflowercat · 17/01/2022 12:20

@Iggly

We don’t develop full immunity to colds though so we? We keep getting them, some mild, some not? Covid is a worse virus than the common cold and I hate to imagine the impact of continued cycles of high and dangerous infections.

You won't have to imagine it! It's here - this is life.

The only alternative to cycles of infections is to have restrictions far stronger than we currently have forever, as Covid will be here forever.

Yes, ventilation will help, and I'm all for more of it, but it's no silver bullet that will prevent infection cycles.

Even though those you, and others who post with this perspective, say they don't want restrictions to last forever, your position requires it, so it's time to admit it and own it.... namely that a life of restrictions to avoid cycles of infection (and they'd have to be highly draconian to manage omicron) is preferable to the alternative.

It's a valid viewpoint, and I can see the logic behind it, but the problem is that you probably know the vast majority - of which I am one - won't accept that permanent narrowing of society.

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CalmDownBoris72 · 17/01/2022 13:11

Can anyone who has suggested the ongoing health risks (not long COVID) associated with COVID please provide sources for these facts. They’ve really worried me.

Iggly · 17/01/2022 13:24

Even though those you, and others who post with this perspective, say they don't want restrictions to last forever, your position requires it, so it's time to admit it and own it.... namely that a life of restrictions to avoid cycles of infection (and they'd have to be highly draconian to manage omicron) is preferable to the alternative

Then you need to think through a little more clearly then.

I would rather listen to scientists rather than emotive nonsense with people using language such as “draconian restrictions” etc which create this whole image of us cowering in our houses.

Life has been carrying on actually since schools were opened.

I would prefer that we had better ventilation in schools.

I would prefer that the NHS was bolstered so that it had the resources to treat additional covid patients on top of the annual flu surges.

I would prefer that we had a decent testing framework in place.

I would prefer that we had decent SSP and similar measures in place for the self-employed.

How are those restrictions?

southeastdweller · 17/01/2022 13:44

@Iggly

Even though those you, and others who post with this perspective, say they don't want restrictions to last forever, your position requires it, so it's time to admit it and own it.... namely that a life of restrictions to avoid cycles of infection (and they'd have to be highly draconian to manage omicron) is preferable to the alternative

Then you need to think through a little more clearly then.

I would rather listen to scientists rather than emotive nonsense with people using language such as “draconian restrictions” etc which create this whole image of us cowering in our houses.

Life has been carrying on actually since schools were opened.

I would prefer that we had better ventilation in schools.

I would prefer that the NHS was bolstered so that it had the resources to treat additional covid patients on top of the annual flu surges.

I would prefer that we had a decent testing framework in place.

I would prefer that we had decent SSP and similar measures in place for the self-employed.

How are those restrictions?

Wearing a mask in some settings, which is what you do now, is a restriction in my view. If you want to keep doing that - and possibly social distancing and maybe restricting your life in other ways - every winter for the rest of your life, then why don't you just say so? The OP isn't talking about your preferences.

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treeflowercat · 17/01/2022 14:45

@Iggly

I don't object to anything on your list,
and I agree they aren't restrictions. However, they won't be nearly enough to stop continued waves of infections moving forwards. If Germany and the Netherlands can't prevent a omicron surge with lockdowns, these measures won't scratch the surface.

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Delatron · 17/01/2022 15:23

Well that’s the point. Nothing on @Iggly list will stop infections every year. They are different points. We’d all like investment for the NHS. And we’d all love HEPA filters and better ventilation in schools.

Iggly · 17/01/2022 15:42

[quote treeflowercat]@Iggly

I don't object to anything on your list,
and I agree they aren't restrictions. However, they won't be nearly enough to stop continued waves of infections moving forwards. If Germany and the Netherlands can't prevent a omicron surge with lockdowns, these measures won't scratch the surface.[/quote]
The reason for slowing infections is to minimise the impact on the NHS, because the nhs cannot cope with the sheer volume of cases.

However unless that capacity is provided, then you need public health measures in place to reduce the numbers and spread.

So what do you choose?

Iggly · 17/01/2022 15:48

Wearing a mask in some settings, which is what you do now, is a restriction in my view. If you want to keep doing that - and possibly social distancing and maybe restricting your life in other ways - every winter for the rest of your life, then why don't you just say so? The OP isn't talking about your preferences

I want the nhs to be able to cope. I want to be in a position where I don’t have to worry about getting ill or my dcs and not knowing if they’ll be seen by a doctor, because they’re overwhelmed with covid.

To get there, you either need to reduce numbers or increase the ability of the nhs to cope with a new epidemic virus on top of the existing flu pressures.

As it is, we don’t even know what’s next after omicron. After the original strain, alpha and then delta were worse. Then omicron came along by the time we had vaccines. Without vaccines we would have been screwed quite frankly.

Vaccines don’t give blanket protection; what happens if a more virulent strain comes along?

We need a robust nhs to cope with it. And if not, then public health measures come into play.

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treeflowercat · 17/01/2022 16:17

@Iggly

I don't actually disagree with anything you wrote in your last post, and I'm not against restrictions in all circumstances - unmanageable pressure on healthcare being one.

But your recent posts seem to be striking a different tone from previous ones where you seem to be advocating for measures that would prevent you and your children from catching Covid full stop, but that's very different, and can't be achieved by some winter restrictions to manage extreme pressure on healthcare, more ventilation and better sick pay.

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Tryagainplease · 17/01/2022 18:01

I totally get your logic, OP.
I’m double jabbed - hadn’t gotten around to having my booster yet and I currently have Omicron. I’m on day 3 and feel like I have a mild cold. That’s it. I’m relieved that I will have some immunity to it!

BogRollBOGOF · 17/01/2022 20:34

I got Covid at Christmas barely a fortnight after my booster, and it has been a relief. Fortunately the isolation had been cut to 7+ days a vast improvement on 10, and while it was annoying to have to stay in with some mild sniffles at least after cancelling on seeing family, there wasn't other disruption to life.

I suspect DS1 may have had it under the radar. DS2 had a faint line on one test, 2 days of feeling tired an briefly had a temperature. With poor access to testing and nothing left to cancel on, it wasn't worth investigating.

It is liberating. It's no guarentee, but the chances of life being deactivated for a week has plummeted. The chances of being re-infected before cases plummet to low levels are favourable and the local data is already plunging after its new year peak.

At the point that isolation is removed, it's then just another normal range of ailment. Colds/ flus can be nasty and quite honestly I've spent more time feeling ill from the bloody vaccines than the actual illness. (I will interpret that as a yes, they've worked at minimising the illness).

milkyaqua · 17/01/2022 22:39

www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jan/16/no-intention-of-getting-infected-understanding-omicrons-severity

echt · 17/01/2022 22:55

@treeflowercat

This might sound crazy but I'd actually quite like to get Covid over the next few weeks.

I'm triple jabbed and have never had it (even though everyone in my house has) but I hate the anxiety of planning events and holidays knowing that an infection could ruin them (a colleague recently had to postpone their long planned trip abroad due to a positive Covid test.

I also hate the feeling that I may be infected (without knowing it even after a negative LFT) when visiting my elderly parents, especially when staying with them for a few days.

I know that getting infected won't give me immunity forever, but I'd likely be at extremely low risk of infection over the spring and summer if I got Omicron now... That would be a massive relief to me.

I know I could get it severely but that's extremely unlikely, and I could get long Covid, but all in all, i'm very unlikely never to get Covid so it seems far better for me to get now and to isolate with what will probably just be a cold now in January when I've got little planned, than run the gauntlet over the spring/summer with all the anxiety this will cause.

All things considered it seems a rational weighing up of the risks, but I'm sure not everyone will see it that way.... Am I crazy?

Yep. You are. Even if you don't care about yourself, think about others:

www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jan/16/no-intention-of-getting-infected-understanding-omicrons-severity

Egghead68 · 19/01/2022 13:31

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-60050996

Monday55 · 19/01/2022 18:31

I saw that news report earlier and thought of this thread too. Some people don't know they have underlying health issues which are dormant for now. Catching covid might wake the medical issues thus causing complications.

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treeflowercat · 19/01/2022 18:46

@Monday55

I saw that news report earlier and thought of this thread too. Some people don't know they have underlying health issues which are dormant for now. Catching covid might wake the medical issues thus causing complications.

The chances of me living a normal life and not getting Covid over the next decade are next to nil, so whereas I'm not going to out of my way to get it, when (not if) I do get it, it's reasonable for me to want to get it at a time that's least inconvenient and minimises anxiety that it will interfere with long planned and expensive events/trips.

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treeflowercat · 19/01/2022 18:51

[quote milkyaqua]www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jan/16/no-intention-of-getting-infected-understanding-omicrons-severity[/quote]
One of the doctors said he had no intention of getting Covid and wore high quality masks whenever inside with people he didn't know.... I have generally been mask compliant to date, but I'm not wearing a mask when in public forever more just to avoid Covid.

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Flaxmeadow · 19/01/2022 22:06

I think Monday55 was referring to the Hana Horka story.

A Czech folk singer (57) thought it better to catch covid than be vaccinated. She has just died of covid

She had said on social media that she was happy about catching covid
“I’m very happy about it because in this way I would be able to start having a “free” life like everyone else, and go back to the cinema, on vacation, to take a sauna, to the theater”

Her son said "she prefered to catch the disease"

praguemorning.cz/hana-horka-died-covid/

Flaxmeadow · 19/01/2022 22:13

Two days before her death, Horka took to social media to say: ‘I survived… It was intense. So now there will be the theatre, sauna, a concert… and an urgent trip to the sea,’ she added.

Horka went for a walk outside but when she returned she started to complain about back pain and soon after, died choking in her bed.

Her son said she had intentionally caught it and that... ‘I know exactly who influenced her… It makes me sad that she believed strangers more than her proper family,’ Rek said.

‘It wasn’t just total disinformation but also views on natural immunity and antibodies acquired through infection,’ he added.

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treeflowercat · 19/01/2022 22:18

@Flaxmeadow

It's all very tragic but i fail to see what this has got to do with this thread. Firstly, I'm fully vaccinated and boosted, and secondly, I'm not actively looking to get back infected.

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Flaxmeadow · 19/01/2022 22:42

Sorry if I'm misunderstanding something here but your very first line in your first post says

This might sound crazy but I'd actually quite like to get Covid over the next few weeks.

Also

None of you have yet put forward a good enough reason for me not to go and get Covid over the coming weeks....

This seems to be the same line of reasoning as Hana Horka