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cherin · 11/01/2022 21:50

We don’t know the effect of Covid on fertility either.
I don’t think anyone predicted that HPV would cause cancer when it was originally detected? But now we have a vaccine for it…

My boy wanted the vaccine, had zero side effect, and is very happy about it.

Most countries have entry requirements and they apply to 12+ generally. Travelling is not just fun, it’s a life experience, it’s learning, it meeting family, friends, people. It’s the thing I look forward most in terms of return to normality.

oneglassandpuzzled · 11/01/2022 21:57

[quote Beachcomber]@oneglassandpuzzled

Yeah. I thought someone would post something dismissive like that.

You don't know this woman and you know nothing about her. I decided not to post more details about her medical issues in my original post as they are private and not mine to discuss. Suffice to say that changes to her menstruation are not the only issues she has had following her vaccination. Her situation has been reported and her doctor is concerned.

And as we all very well know there is a pattern of women developing menstrual issues following vaccination that warrants investigation and explanation. Not dismissal. If it turns out to be pure coincidence or nothing serious then good but simply dismissing these women is disgusting and irresponsible.[/quote]
No offence intended!

Change123today · 11/01/2022 22:05

I have two daughters , one who is 18 & tripled jab - no issue with periods after being jabbed. She recently had covid & that has caused her periods to go a bit wonky (had a mid month period)
My youngest is 12 hasn’t started her periods but she was happy to be vaccinated. I was hesitant not due to the fertility side but more uncertainty around healthy kids having a vaccine - but it was her choice at the end of the day (we never mentioned our concerns)
When I was around 20 I was very poorly in hospital - my periods just stopped during the 5 months I was in hospital & recovery at home. I don’t know why I’m not a scientist but with how ill I was quite glad I didn’t have to deal with periods as well - but no idea as to why they stopped human bodies are funny things!

Cornettoninja · 11/01/2022 22:07

@Beachcomber in fairness @oneglassandpuzzled is right; those are really common menstruation problems for women in their 40’s. That’s all the third hand information you offered, it’s not fair to say someone is being dismissive and then allude to further information that you don’t wish to share and accuse them of being dismissive.

It’s fair enough you don’t want to share further details (on your own behalf or anyone else’s) but people only have the information you chose to post and invite opinion on. We’re not here to make individual statements and not comment on anything.

Xenia · 11/01/2022 22:08

Let them make up their own minds. I and 2 of my children have not had the vaccine and the other 3 of the children have had it. That is what freedom is in a democracy.

MrsTerryPratchett · 11/01/2022 22:21

@Pinkrose1111

You can still get an exemption though, I'm pretty sure. And if not there are still plenty of other countries that you only need a negative PCR for. And I personally wouldn't even want to travel to a country that's so Draconian about everyone being vaccinated when the long term effects are still unknown and you can still catch and spread even after being vaccinated. So it's not even like it's eliminating the transmission risk.

Draconian

Protecting their own citizens from non essential tourists who don't like rules. It's like 1984 meets The Gulag Archipelago I tells you!

Beachcomber · 11/01/2022 22:30

@oneglassandpuzzled

Thank you. None taken and I appreciate your reply.

Taciturn · 11/01/2022 22:43

@Wfhquery

One thing that made me think is hearing a doctor say ok we don’t know all the long term implications of the vaccine but we also don’t know all the long term effects of having Covid either

False equivalence: 1) long-term effects are based a probability of of catching covid, whereas there is because 100% with the vaccine (you increase the conditional probability of long-term risks) 2) you can still catch covid with the vaccine, so you increase the risk of long-term effects from either covid of vaccine?

Theonlyoneiknow · 11/01/2022 22:43

My periods have gone haywire since having the vaccine. I can completely understand your concerns OP.

ollyollyoxenfree · 11/01/2022 22:48

@Taciturn

False equivalence:
1) long-term effects are based a probability of of catching covid, whereas there is because 100% with the vaccine (you increase the conditional probability of long-term risks)

You are almost guaranteed to be exposed to coronavirus by doing normal daily activities, dose of which is variable.

2) you can still catch covid with the vaccine, so you increase the risk of long-term effects from either covid of vaccine?

Equally, getting infected with coronavirus once does not stop you getting infected again

gogohm · 11/01/2022 22:55

2 of my friends have become pregnant post vaccination. The whole fertility thing is being put about by anti vax groups to sound legitimate. None of us can predict the future but so many people have been vaccinated they would have spotted even rare fertility issues by now. The cycle messing they have explained and it's temporary

LemonSwan · 11/01/2022 23:00

I did have numerous side affects from the vaccines but nothing period related.

I fell pregnant 3-4 months after my last dose. Now nearly in the third trimester. Everything touch wood looking healthy.

I am not having the booster due to concerns that my side effects are not being taken seriously with regard the potential effects on my pregnancy. No one seems to be interested in exploring the issue for me as an individual - I just get generic ' well it is considered safe etc.'

My sister did have period effects - breakthrough bleeding for the first time ever in her life. She found it very concerning. GP sent her for scans as they were so concerned; but didn't think it was the vaccine.

They couldnt find a reason and thankfully her periods have returned to normal.

Awakened22 · 11/01/2022 23:40

@gogohm genuine question….would they have spotted it yet? Of course there are women who are pregnant and have safely given birth post vaccination but say 1% of women did end up having fertility issues post vaccination. Most women wouldn’t go to the doctor straight away if they don’t fall pregnant - I don’t think the NHS really pay attention until over a year of TTC. And then it will take time to investigate and understand if fertility was impacted by the vaccine, or having had Covid, or the stress of a pandemic or any of the reasons people struggle to conceive?!

The only clinic trail assessment I have found on fertility was based on rats! Would be interested if anyone has links to clinical trials on fertility (not safety in pregnancy as there’s now more info on that). They say there is currently no evidence that fertility is impacted but I’d quite like to see the evidence that it definitely isn’t!

ollyollyoxenfree · 11/01/2022 23:47

[quote ollyollyoxenfree]What's the question here @angelalansburysteapot?
If your children don't want to be vaccinated, and you also don't want them to be, then surely just don't take up the offer of it right now?

..for a few years yet, especially possible effects on womens fertility. The fact that there are many women have had issues since having the vaccine, surely it's not unreasonable to think there may be future issues?*

There haven't been reports of infertility reported due to vaccination. I think it's really important to state that! Changes to menstruration do not equate to changes in fertility.

I hope to god my concerns are unfounded but the worry is there.

I have linked this to another thread - a summary of the current evidence by a reproductive immunologist (all statements referenced to original research articles) on why researchers are confident that the vaccines do not impact on fertility.

As an immunologist working on pregnancy, I know people have a lot of questions about the #COVID19 #vaccine, #fertility, #pregnancy and #breastfeeding...

twitter.com/VikiLovesFACS/status/1367099701238116353[/quote]
See above @Awakened22 for a summary of the current evidence.

1. I heard that the COVID vaccine might reduce female fertility. Is this true?
No. In fact, multiple strands of evidence tell us that COVID vaccines do not reduce fertility.

ollyollyoxenfree · 11/01/2022 23:50

(In response to your q The only clinic trail assessment I have found on fertility was based on rats! Would be interested if anyone has links to clinical trials on fertility (not safety in pregnancy as there’s now more info on that). )

Hugasauras · 12/01/2022 00:00

There's no mechanism for it to affect fertility. It can temporarily disrupt periods but that's not the vaccine – it's the body's immune response and can happen with other vaccines too, such as HPV. Stress, illness, all sorts of things can disrupt periods, and your body producing a strong immune response to the vaccine can do that too.

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/covid-19-vaccines-linked-to-temporary-increase-in-menstrual-cycle-length#A-role-for-stress?

Instead, they noted that mRNA vaccines create a robust immune response or stressor, which could have a temporary effect on the hypothalamic-pituitary-ovarian axis. This bodily system regulates menstrual timing.

Hugasauras · 12/01/2022 00:05

This explains it too (and talks about HPV and the impact of the actual virus on menstrual cycle).

Menstrual changes have been reported after both mRNA and adenovirus vectored covid-19 vaccines,1 suggesting that, if there is a connection, it is likely to be a result of the immune response to vaccination rather than a specific vaccine component. Vaccination against human papillomavirus (HPV) has also been associated with menstrual changes.9 Indeed, the menstrual cycle can be affected by immune activation in response to various stimuli, including viral infection: in one study of menstruating women, around a quarter of those infected with SARS-CoV-2 experienced menstrual disruption.10

www.bmj.com/content/374/bmj.n2211

Dishhh · 12/01/2022 00:14

@Hugasauras

There's no mechanism for it to affect fertility. It can temporarily disrupt periods but that's not the vaccine – it's the body's immune response and can happen with other vaccines too, such as HPV. Stress, illness, all sorts of things can disrupt periods, and your body producing a strong immune response to the vaccine can do that too.

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/covid-19-vaccines-linked-to-temporary-increase-in-menstrual-cycle-length#A-role-for-stress?

Instead, they noted that mRNA vaccines create a robust immune response or stressor, which could have a temporary effect on the hypothalamic-pituitary-ovarian axis. This bodily system regulates menstrual timing.

Ditto on this. Thank you!

Dishhh · 12/01/2022 00:17

@angelalansburysteapot

Sorry for yet another vaccine thread (hence the NC) 🙈

Something is playing on my mind and I was just after some opinions.

I have 2 secondary aged children. Neither of whom have been vaccinated.

I'm not an anti-vaxxer by any means, both my husband and I have had all 3 jabs.

My issue with the teens having it is the effect it's having on many womens menstrual cycle. Mine has been disrupted after each jab and this concerns me greatly.

We won't know the long term effects of this jab on teens (or anyone for that matter) for a few years yet, especially possible effects on womens fertility. The fact that there are many women have had issues since having the vaccine, surely it's not unreasonable to think there may be future issues? I hope to god my concerns are unfounded but the worry is there.

One of my teens has yet to start her periods and she is dead against having the vaccine (as are many of her friends) and I have to say, I support her decision.
My other teen is also uncomfortable having the vaccine.

I would like to add in absolutely no way is this a vaccine bashing thread nor do I judge anyone who has/hasn't had the vaccine. I suffer with anxiety anyway and this is just another thing to add to my worry list.

Okay.

Jeranium · 12/01/2022 10:25

Absolutely no way will my healthy teens be having one of these jabs. Not a chance,its not logical.