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Vaccination for 12-15 yr olds

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willthatbeall · 26/12/2021 22:05

Vaccine for 12-15 yr olds

Neither of my children are vaccinated yet as they've both had Covid over Nov/Dec. Have now been told to wait 12weeks! Really concerned they will now get Covid again with omicron variant around as it's spreading around all their peers.

How will I ever get them vaccinated?
Why do they have to wait until spring?

Media banging on about pushing final groups through first vaccination but 1000s of young people are being told NOT to get vaccinated yet. BBC reports "But despite the mini rush, 10.2% of over-12s are yet to have any vaccine." But doesn't explain a huge portion of this will be children who aren't allowed to be vaccinated yet. So many school kids got Covid in Nov/Dec.

It's so confusing. What should I do?

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CarrieBlue · 27/12/2021 06:49

I can’t see my DC will get their second doses due to the 12 week gap - they are almost guaranteed to contract the new variant once back at school which then will mean another three months til they can be vaccinated. DD is already delayed two weeks after contracting covid a fortnight after her first jab. DS is booked for his second on Jan 23rd, I’m under no illusion that he’ll actually be able to have it then. So frustrating.

ChangingStates · 27/12/2021 07:14

Wow, I was not aware of this! Dd, 14, currently booked in for 2nd jab early January- 10 weeks after the first one, but she got Covid 5 days after the first jab so it would definitely be less than 12 weeks since then. Guess I will have to rebook for later, not happy about that! Does anyone know if it's 12 weeks from testing positive or 12 weeks from the end of the 10 days.

Catkitkat · 27/12/2021 09:34

[quote rrhuth]@Catkitkat my expectation from the vaccine is it will reduce severity of illness for most, so those who would be hospitalised without avoid hospital, those who would have temperatures at home end up asymptomatic.

It also prevents the damage you can't see, and reduces risk of long covid.[/quote]
Based on available statistics, ending up with a clinical course which would require hospitalisation is incredibly unlikely for an otherwise healthy child. Reducing flu symptoms - unpleasant as they may be - is not a compelling enough reason for me to embrace a therapy with no long term safety data.

Long covid = post viral fatigue, can happen after any virus?

Apparently Omicron targets different tissues to previous strains, it grows ten times slower in the lungs and may cause cold like symptoms or bronchitis rather than causing long damage. Early days but sounds encouraging.

For me, the risk benefit ratio when it comes to to vaccination is off in this case.

Catkitkat · 27/12/2021 09:35

Lung not long, apologies

rrhuth · 27/12/2021 16:48

@Catkitkat

At the end of the day, they are your kids and you have to make your decisions. I think you're wrong, but there you go.

BewareTheLibrarians · 27/12/2021 16:55

@Hellocatshome

Surely Covid is a bigger risk?? covid wether Omicron or not is not a bigger risk for normally healthy teenagers. That's why the vaccination council didn't recommend they be vaccinated as the benefits didn't outweighs the benefits enough for the individual. They look at the risk benefit for the individual not society as a whole. It benefits society as a whole for teenagers to be vaccinated but there isnt really much benefit to the individual teenager.

If any of that is true, then why did the JCVI say the benefits outweighed the risks (for the individual)?

Why did they say they wanted to wait, despite this, to see a longer-term safety profile before advising 2nd jabs, then go ahead and advise 2nd jabs when they saw the data that showed the vaccine was safe?

Catkitkat · 27/12/2021 17:01

[quote rrhuth]@Catkitkat

At the end of the day, they are your kids and you have to make your decisions. I think you're wrong, but there you go.[/quote]
I would love to hear how those who are happy to have their children vaccinated think about these things. I personally think it is going to be made mandatory in all but name and I would love to find a way to feel ok about it. My children have all their other vaccinations, and I am fully vaccinated against covid myself, but the risk benefit ratio for this vaccine just isn't making sense to me when it comes to children.

The main point being the lack of any long term safety data. Usually there is a six year trial period before anything is approved for paediatric use, how are people feeling about this?

MsBishyBarnaby · 27/12/2021 17:26

My DS is 13, has had his first jab and I received a letter last week inviting me to book his second. However, the nearest location that I can book is 37 miles away, which we can’t get to. I have been trying repeatedly, even before the letter because we have vulnerable relatives and he is keen to have it, but that seems to be the nearest there is. We will therefore presumably be classed by the government as having been offered the second dose but having not taken it up.

Mylittlepixie · 27/12/2021 17:30

Covid is not a big risk for children. Mine had it in summer and i have no intentions on having them vaccinated. They had it mildly and both kids schools were full of cases in nov/dec and they didnt get it anymore, so i assume they still have some immunity from it.

Watapalava · 27/12/2021 17:33

walk in centres near me are giving teens their first jabs at 28 days post covid. I believe its more a recommendation.

Kids who are CEV or live with CEV can be vaccinated 4 weeks post covid, its only healthy teens who are advised to wait 12 weeks. I took ds for his first jab last week and he was 29 days post covid and they knew and said its fine, 28 days is guidance. Dr even googled it so i wander if doctors are given different advice? It was a GP who gave ds his vaccine as he was volunteering at the gp practice clinic. Taking my other ds tomorrow for his and hes 5 weeks post covid.

Watapalava · 27/12/2021 17:34

im only getting theirs as we want to travel at easter and most of europe now only accept vaccination - no longer accept negative test for entry

Watapalava · 27/12/2021 17:36

oh to be clear, my dc are not CEV - they are perfectly healthy ad none of us are vulnerable - my GP said all kids can be vax after 28 days after covid

MsBishyBarnaby · 27/12/2021 17:40

“The main point being the lack of any long term safety data. Usually there is a six year trial period before anything is approved for paediatric use, how are people feeling about this?”

This isn’t true - when pharma companies are developing new drugs that they hope to get authorised, they have to submit what is known as a “Paediatric Investigation Plan” in the EU and similar in the UK (post Brexit) and US. This is to ensure that drugs are developed for children and pretty strong justifications are required for children to be excluded. This was introduced about 15 years ago.

happytoday73 · 27/12/2021 17:44

It's 12 weeks after testing positive.
My child got turned away at 11 weeks but had 12 weeks post positive date

BoPeeple · 27/12/2021 17:55

I daren't let them go out as they will catch Covid again and are unprotected until Feb/March

Umm, you do realise that as they’ve had Covid recently they actually have better immunity than any vaccine would have given them? That’s how the immune system works.

They will be absolutely fine. But they won’t be if you stop them from going anywhere and fill them with fear.

Sorry to say it, but I think you need to get a grip.

GoodnightGrandma · 27/12/2021 17:57

Where I work, we are going back into schools after Xmas, to do the seconds and any firsts now wanted.

CarrieBlue · 27/12/2021 17:59

Umm, you do realise that as they’ve had Covid recently they actually have better immunity than any vaccine would have given them?

No I don’t realise this - do you have some evidence to back up your statement?

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willthatbeall · 27/12/2021 18:02

@BoPeeple im not worried they will die of Covid!! I just want to protect them from re infection so that they can actually get a 12 week gap and get the frigging 1st vaccine and then another 12 weeks before 2nd so we have a chance of travelling as a family in 2022!! No double vacc no foreign travel! I barely give a fuck about Covid but don't want to be locked in the UK for the whole of next year. There are people we want to see who live abroad.

And the guidance is confusing! Just discovered dd friend who had Covid same time as her just got vaccine without waiting 12 weeks.

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Watapalava · 27/12/2021 18:13

Op try the walk in centres

They didn’t care when ds got his

They asked only if he’d had covid in previous 28 days - not 12 weeks

Watapalava · 27/12/2021 18:14

They can’t stop you as they can vax them if you are vulnerable - just tell them he cares for a vulnerable relative or you have one who lives with you as that makes them eligible anyway

28 days for 12-15 who live with vulnerable people

Watapalava · 28/12/2021 11:40

My other Ds just had his first this morning -5 weeks post covid

Try another site

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