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Isolation reduced to 7 days *MNHQ editing to make clear this is England-only so far*

179 replies

Jourdain11 · 22/12/2021 00:25

It's been confirmed.

BBC News - Covid: Self-isolation cut from 10 days to seven with negative test
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-59749447

OP posts:
icklekid · 22/12/2021 05:28

Interested in what this means for children and adults who can’t work from home? It sounds to me like don’t isolate but work from home and don’t go anywhere busy eg, supermarkets?? So think they are being cautious because you could still spread virus?

My understanding is many nhs workers still isolating for 14 days not ever reduced so this definitely won’t help their staffing numbers?

voxnihili · 22/12/2021 05:41

I'm glad the guidance has changed as day 7 for me is Christmas Day. We were due to have family over but we definitely won't do that as I think it is still too risky but at least we might get out for a walk.

I'm a bit concerned that the timing of this might put people at risk as I certainly know a few people would definitely use this as a reason to go ahead with their gatherings, especially if they'd only had mild symptoms.

WotgunShedding · 22/12/2021 05:50

[quote Moolia]@WotgunShedding you are meant to do another PCR within 90 days of infection if you have new symptoms, as it says in the image you posted.[/quote]
Yes sorry, you’re right!

Mummyoflittledragon · 22/12/2021 05:51

I’m not sure this is progress. Does anyone know if any other countries have done the same?

Monday55 · 22/12/2021 05:57

But those who are not double-jabbed will still have to isolate for the full 10 days if they are a close contact of a positive case, as is currently the case

FancySomeChips · 22/12/2021 05:57

I got COVID quite badly- ambulance called etc. All my lfts were negative after one positive right at the start. They are a load of rubbish.
So I think this is a terrible idea. Employers will now be expecting people back to work before they are well and no longer contagious.

Youaremypenguin · 22/12/2021 06:03

@Mummyoflittledragon

I’m not sure this is progress. Does anyone know if any other countries have done the same?
Definitely France and I'm sure others are as well. Its based on when you're still infectious to others rather than once covid is out your system.
Frazzled2207 · 22/12/2021 06:20

Can’t see any clarity about kids.
Unvaccinated still have to do the 10 days.

Frazzled2207 · 22/12/2021 06:22

@Eyerollsausageroll

My 10 day isolation ends on the 27th, I'm missing my 6 year olds birthday today, if I'm negative on 23rd and 24th I can "legally" spend Xmas with my dc? I'm so hopeful, yet I'm not sure I can deal with the disappointment if I still give a positive lft.
There is no requirement to keep away from people you live with!!
Orchidflower1 · 22/12/2021 06:29

@Thewiseoneincognito

What’s the deal with close contact isolation for the unvaccinated? Is that still 10 days?
Yes still 10day for the unvaccinated.
Mummyoflittledragon · 22/12/2021 06:34

@Youaremypenguin
Thanks for responding.

Well all great in theory. But LFT are not 100% accurate. We had the same discussion when it was reduced to 10 days.

Daisydoor12 · 22/12/2021 06:44

@WotgunShedding

Not what my work policy states.
www.valeofyorkccg.nhs.uk/seecmsfile/?id=4912

Department of Health & Social Care
This announcement provides policy updates for adult care homes in England, outlining changes to the 90 retesting day guidance for PCR and LFD and testing in the event of a confirmed / suspected outbreak.
Testing within 90 days of a positive PCR test
Following a substantial clinical review of the latest evidence and testing data, we are now changing the advice for retesting within 90 days of a positive. From now on, if someone tests positive with a PCR test, they should not be tested using PCR or LFD for 90 days, unless they develop new symptoms during this time, in which case they should be retested immediately using PCR. This 90 day period is from the initial onset of symptoms or, if asymptomatic when tested, their positive test result.
The previous policy to continue LFD testing following a positive PCR result was because although very unlikely, it is possible to be re- infected within 90 days. However based on the latest testing data and clinical advice, the policy has now changed.
The clinical view is that during this 90 day window from a positive test, given the low rate of reinfection during this window, it is significantly more likely that a positive LFD test would be a false result, rather than someone being re-infected, causing people to isolate unnecessarily. Therefore we are now stopping the regular testing using LFD during this 90 day period. The individual should return to the regular LFD and PCR regime once 90 days has passed.
This means that the policy for retesting within 90 days for Adult Social Care is now the same as the policy for NHS staff. The policy also applies to professionals visiting a care home who have received a positive PCR result in the last 90 days.

Mindymomo · 22/12/2021 06:49

My DS who is 25 said he knows about 20 people his age who have covid at the moment and all of them seem to have a mild cold which is lasting about 2/3 days, so this is good for their age with no medical conditions. I would be a bit more cautious with us older people, who take a bit longer to get over illnesses.

Whatdidisay · 22/12/2021 06:50

Perhaps this decision has been made following the new research that LFT'S only show up when you are infectious?

www.ucl.ac.uk/news/2021/oct/lateral-flow-tests-detect-most-people-risk-transmitting-covid-19

Whatdidisay · 22/12/2021 06:52

Quotes from article

LFTs detect material from the surface proteins of the virus and are very likely to give a positive result when someone is infectious whereas PCR tests detect the virus’ genetic material, which can be present for weeks after a person is no longer infectious.

And

“It is most likely that if someone’s LFT is negative but their PCR is positive then this is because they are not at peak transmissible stage.”

Solasum · 22/12/2021 06:54

Is the app going to update? I am currently being told to stay at home until what would be our 10th day

Solasum · 22/12/2021 06:57

@Frazzled2207 Can’t see any clarity about kids.
Unvaccinated still have to do the 10 days

Oh. Well that changes nothing for us then.

Hollyhead · 22/12/2021 07:00

It makes me feel cross to think that France with its lower case rates has had 7 days for a while while we’ve been stuck with 10. 7 is obviously an appropriate number if other counties have had it as their standard.

MrsHerculePoirot · 22/12/2021 07:02

@Suzi888

Most people aren’t isolating in any case!
Everyone I know is. Then again I’m not friends with dicks so maybe that’s why 🤷‍♀️

@Solasum not because as it says this will be an accepted reason to break isolation (eg leave the house) for now as legally can’t change isolation until parliament come back after Christmas.

@Frazzled2207 and whoever else was saying about ‘no legal requirement’ to isolate in own home from others you live with - I’m sure @Eyerollsausageroll knows that but like them and many others some of us have been to try and protect others we live with. I did/was doing the same.

Eyerollsausageroll · 22/12/2021 07:03

@Frazzled2207 I have 50:50 care with their dad, it's his turn to have them for xmas day but I would usually go with them. So it's the going to his home that's the legal bit I suppose. They've been with him since Thursday.
I'm triple vaxxed and feel fine, literally a sore throat is my only symptom.

ColettesEarrings · 22/12/2021 07:05

@Solasum For children who HAVE covid, they can stop isolating after the 7 days ie on day 8, the same as adults can, as long as they have had two negative tests on day 6 and 7. Unvaccinated children under 18 don't currently have to self isolate for contact anyway so there's no change there to be made.

ColettesEarrings · 22/12/2021 07:07

@Solasum The app alone isn't a legal requirement anyway so you can ignore that and go by what T&T told you, or by today's published guidance.

Watapalava · 22/12/2021 07:10

it was 7 days for a while for the UK last year and they upped it again

Firefliess · 22/12/2021 07:10

Fantastic news for us. Student DSS was positive with a sore throat on 17th - he's been entirely well the last 3 days and testing negative already, so this means he can come home for Christmas! Smile

dollybird · 22/12/2021 07:11

@FancySomeChips

I got COVID quite badly- ambulance called etc. All my lfts were negative after one positive right at the start. They are a load of rubbish. So I think this is a terrible idea. Employers will now be expecting people back to work before they are well and no longer contagious.
But if you're still unwell, why would you go back?