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Schools - why are they doing this?

744 replies

Scrooge89 · 16/12/2021 07:14

Why are the media preparing us for school closures? They simply can’t do this to us…

www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-59673271

Not to my children. My youngest struggled so much at home and was one of the 25% who couldn’t go to school (although I saw how much some people fudged the key worker card I may have to do it).

OP posts:
FutureHope · 17/12/2021 18:01

We saw last time around the damage closing schools does to kids mental health, education, not to mention kids from deprived backgrounds.

They should be the very last things to close.

Iratus · 17/12/2021 18:01

I guarantee you that schools are not doing this. If they close it will be because the Govt or PHE make them. You think the schools/teachers actually have any control? Perhaps if the students wore their masks (Mum says I don’t have to) it might help? They do actually have to take some responsibility. Although many of them are going round wishing for another lockdown (extended holiday where they ignore their online lessons) ime as a lowly secondary teacher.

Scrooge89 · 17/12/2021 18:02

@TraumatisedinTwickenham

The UsForThem group is a non political lobby group which represents the interests of children in the pandemic. They are currently lobbying the government to keep schools open. It is worth going onto their website and getting the email template to send to your MP. You can find your MP by googling "find your MP", which will have her or his constituent email address.

Send me a DM if you require any further information.

To those saying the situation is "serious", I'd argue that no one has yet died of this new variant (yes someone has died "with" it, but not died "from" it) and the hospitals are not overwhelmed. And if they are, it's probably with cancer patients and those with untreated heart disease at this stage.

Thank you!!! Putting this here for others to see.
OP posts:
Fredstheteds · 17/12/2021 18:02

If staff are off with covid they won’t be able to teach online. If yiur off sick your off sick.

wellstopdoingitthen · 17/12/2021 18:04

Yesterday we had 3 children & 4 staff already off with covid. Today a further 3 staff & 4 children reported +ve tests. In one year group 6 children were sent home with vomiting, & diarrhoea. The infuriating thing is that 3 of those had been ill before school but parents'didn't want them to miss the last day' never mind the poor staff literally covered in poop & vomit risking their own Christmas's.
If there are not enough staff the children are not able to attend. It's not rocket science.

Itisasecret · 17/12/2021 18:05

I knew op was an us for them bot suggesting schools were doing this, not a virus.

Lifetheuniverseandeverything · 17/12/2021 18:06

Don’t forget the school that lost two 15 year olds before half term to covid. The headteacher is distraught. They were due to be vaccinated after the half term break. What would you do in that head’s position about high rates in the area after Christmas and staff shortages?

noblegiraffe · 17/12/2021 18:06

Oh OP, MN knows that Us4Them are a bunch of grifters.

Go back to Facebook.

TessasTesla · 17/12/2021 18:06

It’s not rocket science, children are spreaders. They spread Covid, everywhere. They’re practically licking each other daily. You keep schools open you have more transmission. More transmission = more demand on the NHS. So tired of stating the bloody obvious.

See it's horrible hateful posts like this that are so gutting for us to read parents. I hope to God that whoever wrote this is not a teacher. Aggressive hostile and full of self pity Hmm And I'm sure other posters in the same vein will jump in defending this posters tone by saying parents on MN are slagging off teachers. @Iheartbaby is not wrong about other professions also carrying a heavy load, especially those with little to job security and anyone who works with members of the public. If being a teacher is completely unacceptable to some during the Pandemic, which would be cdomepeltly understandable, it might be better to look for a job that lets you work from home. Many tutors have really thriving online businesses there are options outside the classroom.

NinaDefoe · 17/12/2021 18:07

Thank you!!! Putting this here for others to see

🙄

wellstopdoingitthen · 17/12/2021 18:08

@Fredstheteds

If staff are off with covid they won’t be able to teach online. If yiur off sick your off sick.
But many teachers did still teach online during the last lockdown. They were also preparing work packs for the school website even though they were ill.
Appuskidu · 17/12/2021 18:09

Us4Them (a group run by corporate lawyer, Molly Kingsley) has been lobbying their friends in the government for most of the pandemic, arguing against any sort of mitigations in school.

If you want schools to stay open, mitigations in schools are exactly what you should be arguing FOR.

LawfulSearch · 17/12/2021 18:10

@BigButtons

Of course they can do it if they have to do it. I teach. We want schools to stay open to all but if it isn’t safe then it isn’t safe. Do you have any idea how scary it is to be in a work place where covid is taking out large numbers of staff and pupils alike yet you you still have to chance your arm and go in?
This. 100 times this. It is horrific.
Barbie222 · 17/12/2021 18:12

What's your thought out plan to keep them open, OP?

ChiefStockingStuffer · 17/12/2021 18:12

@OnceuponaRainbow18

Because the reality of it is that lots of schools are on their knees and are running out of staff
This They're not closed lightly; they're really not.

We can't get supply; they don't exist.
We have been struggling to maintain proper ratios (primary school) and are have been essentially childminding, not teaching, due to the lack of adults in school. It's not sustainable if more people get ill and can't come in after the holidays.

DumplingsAndStew · 17/12/2021 18:13

@TraumatisedinTwickenham

The UsForThem group is a non political lobby group which represents the interests of children in the pandemic. They are currently lobbying the government to keep schools open. It is worth going onto their website and getting the email template to send to your MP. You can find your MP by googling "find your MP", which will have her or his constituent email address.

Send me a DM if you require any further information.

To those saying the situation is "serious", I'd argue that no one has yet died of this new variant (yes someone has died "with" it, but not died "from" it) and the hospitals are not overwhelmed. And if they are, it's probably with cancer patients and those with untreated heart disease at this stage.

😂😂😂😂😂

It's like a fucking cult 😂

motherrunner · 17/12/2021 18:14

**Thank god we do it for our students not their parents because the kind of attitudes you see on here towards teachers would definitely not keep the already short number of teachers in role or attract quality candidates to the profession.

Thankfully most parents in real life are so much nicer than the very vocal and entitled minority who fill so much space on mn. I should know, I'm a parent myself and I get to read the emails of and have phonecalls with parents (generally of the most challenging students) on a regular basis and the vast majority are nothing like the vocal ones on here.

Our HT regularly shares with us the emails from parents thanking us for all we've done to keep their kids in school, to accommodate kids with very challenging needs, to support and keep in touch with students who are off due to covid etc.

Our students too for the most part, even most of the children of the more challenging parents, are polite and express gratitude. I get to share a fairly warm and amusing and engaging relationship with the majority of my classes despite having to teach them, administer discipline, introduce and enforce standards and expectations that in some cases they only encounter in school etc. Even after a lesson of nagging and moaning and having to give out a few warnings many will still say thanks Miss, have a nice day Miss. Many of them know that the nagging and moaning and pushing means we actually give a shit. They're also capable of recognising that sometimes we're in there sick and knackered when we should probably be in bed but still turning up for them and giving them 100% of our attention and energy and bothering to nag and moan.

We work on a restorative model. Not always popular with teachers I know and with good reasons sometimes but we're committed to it and for me personally that means going out of my way to try and build relationships even with kids who've behaved in ways that in normal life would see them sacked, ostracised and potentially even prosecuted. And it works a lot of the time. It means I seek out and spend time with kids you'd cross the street to avoid or write off with a few choice adjectives.

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that even the most challenged of our students (think witnessing domestic physical and sexual violence from an early age, never having developed impulse control, never having had emotional regulation modelled to them and instead only having seen shouting and screaming like toddlers from the adults in their lives prior to school) demonstrate more capacity for basic empathy and ability to recognise that other people have needs too than some of the parent posters on here.

Those posters will also be the ones banging on about how their child must be in school and manipulatively citing the 'vulnerable' kids whilst not actually giving a damn about those kids or the toll that it takes on teachers to have to take care of those kids, know their circumstances and worse still send them home to environments that we KNOW are not really safe let alone good despite a million safeguarding alerts and reports that we have submitted collectively and sleepless nights knowing we've done everything we can do but the child is still being left in an abusive environment.

They'll then also cynically use the death of one of those children for their Us4Ourselves agenda to show how schools must stay open as if that child would be alive if it wasn't for lockdowns. They'll ignore the fact that child had a school place and should have been in school and teachers reported to the authorities that they weren't and that they were seriously concerned. Not because they care about that child or the thousands like them who we know are in danger but can't get anyone to do anything about other than praising us on an ofsted report for providing an opportunity for them to come to breakfast club and give them a hot chocolate and a slice of toast in the morning but because they're a convenient pawn.

We are apparently lazy, lefty, workshy, shit at our jobs, sunbathing in the garden, gin swilling, overpaid, have too many holidays, hysterical because we don't want to be packed into an unventilated building with a massive unvaccinated population who clearly ARE a massive breeding pool for infections in a pandemic despite gaslighting and no apologies when that gaslighting was proved untrue, lying, doom mongering and disposable blob. Yet they are strangely keen for us to have their children.

I can't imagine why we either can't recruit trainees or end up recruiting absolutely unfit for the job recruits via private goverments mates companies that only give a shit about the commission.

As I say, fortunately we do it for the kids not the public. The public telling us we should lose our holidays to sit in lockdown in January when we're not allowed to go anywhere and then work through summer can gtf. Trust me the kids don't want that either. Not that these people generally give a damn what kids want.

I really have to hope that there are reasonable decent parents and people who are the silent lurking majority on these threads and who do genuinely give a shit about kids and know that it's not the teachers trying to hold things together on a shoe string that deserve their angst. I'm told there are countries where teachers are actually appreciated and held in high esteem.**

Just in case @TheHoneyBadger ‘s post disappeared in amongst the bollocks.

fromdownwest · 17/12/2021 18:14

@WashWam - 'I don't think people realise that if this becomes as serious as they think, everyone is going to struggle to receive basic medical assistance and treatment if needed.'

Well it didn't happen pre vaccination, field hospitals laid bare. So why do you think this less lethal version will bring the country to its knees. It is out and out scare mongering based on no imperical data, just outright irrational fear.

People are failing to receive basic medical care due to the closing on outpatient care and GP surgeries.

Learn to live with this, and lets crack on shall we.

borntobequiet · 17/12/2021 18:21

@TraumatisedinTwickenham

The UsForThem group is a non political lobby group which represents the interests of children in the pandemic. They are currently lobbying the government to keep schools open. It is worth going onto their website and getting the email template to send to your MP. You can find your MP by googling "find your MP", which will have her or his constituent email address.

Send me a DM if you require any further information.

To those saying the situation is "serious", I'd argue that no one has yet died of this new variant (yes someone has died "with" it, but not died "from" it) and the hospitals are not overwhelmed. And if they are, it's probably with cancer patients and those with untreated heart disease at this stage.

Wonderful!

I expect they’ll all be lining up to volunteer in schools then.

Domino20 · 17/12/2021 18:22

@Randallthecat

There is no supply cover as they’re all being used or have covid. Parents send children in when their whole family has covid. Child then infects the class plus teacher (this is me now) so no staff. We thought at one point last week we were going to have to ask dinner staff to cover classes and put a film on. We need to be prepared for remote learning. Better prepared than not.
Is it 'parents' sending in the kids or are we actually no longer permitted to keep our kids off, even where we perceive a threat.
GinPin2 · 17/12/2021 18:22

@Imdreamingofapeacefulxmas and @BigButtons exactly.

That is why I am not going back !

To say nothing of the fact that the 2 counties I worked for both sent me my P 45s earlier this year because the 2 schools only wanted agency supply staff from then on !

Lucky escape I call it and I did not have to make the decision myself thank goodness .

I truly loved SUPPLY teaching but it is their loss.

motherrunner · 17/12/2021 18:23

Did @Iheartbaby ever reply to my posts linking to office workers walking out as someone the knew maybe had contact with a positive?!!?

LuluBlakey1 · 17/12/2021 18:26

I just don't understand why our daily cases are so high in comparison with similar size countries in Europe. Our vaccination rates and booster rates are the highest in Europe. I understand deaths are lower than some countries but we were 12th in the world for deaths yesterday which is still high- lots of European countries were way below us.

The first table is ranked by new cases (Yesterday) Today our numbers are up to 93,000 new cases.
The second is ranked by deaths (Yesterday)

Schools - why are they doing this?
Schools - why are they doing this?
AnkleDeep · 17/12/2021 18:27

Thank you!!! Putting this here for others to see.

But we already know it's bollocks.

DogInATent · 17/12/2021 18:28

The UsForThem group is a non political lobby group which represents the interests of children in the pandemic.

Rubbish. It's a hardline Conservative front organisation with ties/support from the CRG element of the Conservative party and financial backers connected to Farage and Trump.