UK Omicron cases now being treated in hospital

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The breaking news just popped on my phone: Omicron cases now being treated in hospital, cabinet minister Nadhim Zahawi tells Sky News

https://apple.news/Aa4ipTTrQtiVeacyE0bb_UA

Finger cross omicron is as mild as we hoped and the hospitalized cases had underlying problems/unvaccinated

@MamanSparkles

I wish people would stop writing off the CEV. Many of us normally live full, active lives. We have kids and jobs and contribute to society. Just because someone has an underlying condition does not mean they were about to shuffle off this mortal coil, and it does not make it 'ok'. There are also an awful lot of us with underlying conditions who were groups 4 and 6 in the vaccine roll out, so if we all need hospitalising with omicron, given the speed it transmits, the NHS will have a serious problem.

This, please! I’m CEV and happy (ish) to isolate all winter (because I can) but honestly, many can’t and we shouldn’t have to!

" I thought omicron is milder"

There's not just two catagories of illness - 'fine' or 'ventillated'. There's loads in between and scope for people to be less ill technically but still needing to be in hospital.

Ditto the above.

In hospital with omicron not necessarily because of it. Poor and unclear reporting.

@containsnuts

" I thought omicron is milder"

There's not just two catagories of illness - 'fine' or 'ventillated'. There's loads in between and scope for people to be less ill technically but still needing to be in hospital.

Also, a tiny percentage of a huge number is still a lot of people. That's our main issue here.

@MamanSparkles

I wish people would stop writing off the CEV. Many of us normally live full, active lives. We have kids and jobs and contribute to society. Just because someone has an underlying condition does not mean they were about to shuffle off this mortal coil, and it does not make it 'ok'. There are also an awful lot of us with underlying conditions who were groups 4 and 6 in the vaccine roll out, so if we all need hospitalising with omicron, given the speed it transmits, the NHS will have a serious problem.

Exactly this. Omicron is still dangerous, it can't just be labelled as 'a mild cold' just because healthy and vaccinated people will likely survive it.

Crossing your fingers that the only people who get ill or die from it are CEV/unvaccinated is a pile of shit.

That’s such a misleading/over dramatic title OP. 🤦‍♀️

Of course there are some people in hospital testing positive and who have omicron. That means zilch.

Crossing your fingers that the only people who get ill or die from it are CEV/unvaccinated is a pile of shit

This with fucking bells on

@User2638483

That’s such a misleading/over dramatic title OP. 🤦‍♀️

Of course there are some people in hospital testing positive and who have omicron. That means zilch.

I wish the media had to abide by proper laws and guidelines. The scaremongering is absolutely destroying people's health in a way I just don't see in my friends and family abroad.

There's no need to have these constant 'breaking news' knee jerk scare story headlines. There's a new variant, we should be sensible and cautious, get jabbed and wear a mask. There's no value in the general public getting hourly updates on things that really don't concern them at all.

@MamanSparkles

I wish people would stop writing off the CEV. Many of us normally live full, active lives. We have kids and jobs and contribute to society. Just because someone has an underlying condition does not mean they were about to shuffle off this mortal coil, and it does not make it 'ok'. There are also an awful lot of us with underlying conditions who were groups 4 and 6 in the vaccine roll out, so if we all need hospitalising with omicron, given the speed it transmits, the NHS will have a serious problem.

Exactly this.

@MamanSparkles

I wish people would stop writing off the CEV. Many of us normally live full, active lives. We have kids and jobs and contribute to society. Just because someone has an underlying condition does not mean they were about to shuffle off this mortal coil, and it does not make it 'ok'. There are also an awful lot of us with underlying conditions who were groups 4 and 6 in the vaccine roll out, so if we all need hospitalising with omicron, given the speed it transmits, the NHS will have a serious problem.

Totally agree - if you changed "I hope it is just people with underlying conditions who are in hospital" in the OP to "I hope it is just black people / children / people with learning difficulties " it would take on a very different feeling.

So many people have underlying conditions it is really excluding / prejudiced to say that. It really doesn't make it okay, when these people are living perfectly normal lives and without Covid may well live into their 80s or 90s, to say it makes it in anyway okay Or "hopefully it's them" not "us normals" is just terrible.

And I have a friend who had the first vaccine which ended up hospitalising him, so he now can't have any more vaccines or boosters. So he is one of the "unvaccinated " that you are also writing off here..

@nether

Crossing your fingers that the only people who get ill or die from it are CEV/unvaccinated is a pile of shit

This with fucking bells on

And yet par for the course on Mumsnet.

@MamanSparkles

I wish people would stop writing off the CEV. Many of us normally live full, active lives. We have kids and jobs and contribute to society. Just because someone has an underlying condition does not mean they were about to shuffle off this mortal coil, and it does not make it 'ok'. There are also an awful lot of us with underlying conditions who were groups 4 and 6 in the vaccine roll out, so if we all need hospitalising with omicron, given the speed it transmits, the NHS will have a serious problem.

Absolutely. I am fitter than most, low BP, low resting heart rate due to exercise, BMI fine, work hard and most people are shocked when they find out I have a condition. My consultant said they have not had any issues with covid with the patients on my treatment. yet most people seem to think it's ok if I become a statistic because I have an underlying condition.

@MamanSparkles

I wish people would stop writing off the CEV. Many of us normally live full, active lives. We have kids and jobs and contribute to society. Just because someone has an underlying condition does not mean they were about to shuffle off this mortal coil, and it does not make it 'ok'. There are also an awful lot of us with underlying conditions who were groups 4 and 6 in the vaccine roll out, so if we all need hospitalising with omicron, given the speed it transmits, the NHS will have a serious problem.

Absolutely this!

Both me and my son were classed as CEV due to an underlying condition which in ‘normal’ times isn’t given a second thought and doesn’t even require us seeing a consultant.

It’s a real mind fuck to suddenly be told that the silly little anomaly we were born with could lead to, as our practice nurse put it, a catastrophic event if we caught covid.

And for people to imply that we don’t matter, we’re all on death’s door anyway.

A genuine question to those of you who are CEV. I hope not to sound insensitive but I’m struggling to understand why this virus is more of an issue than all of the others and needing of such extreme measures where none have ever been in place for you before for any other virus.

Does a common cold or the flu not also pose you similar risks? Or is it just covid?

@IncessantNameChanger

OP I read yesterday that double vaxxed with AZ gives zero protection from this so you could still be double vaxxed and ill. I'm not going to follow the news . I had AZ and what will be, will be. I just need to get to the end of this week. Then maybe next week I might worry about Christmas.

Really didnt see this still being a issue at the start of the pandemic. I find the constant stress exhausting when I let it occupy my mind. So why let it? Occurding to the news I'm just as likely to get severely ill as if I had done nothing. I cant control that. Bring it on. Now or later. Dont honestly care.

Where was this info about AZ ?

The chief medical officers have said that these people have been hospitalised BECAUSE of covid:

BNO Newsroom reports

UK chief medical officers: "Data on severity will become clearer over the coming weeks but hospitalisations from Omicron are already occurring and these are likely to increase rapidly"

@Undisclosedlocation

A genuine question to those of you who are CEV. I hope not to sound insensitive but I’m struggling to understand why this virus is more of an issue than all of the others and needing of such extreme measures where none have ever been in place for you before for any other virus.

Does a common cold or the flu not also pose you similar risks? Or is it just covid?

Because of the level of circulation - even when flu is going around, it's not in these numbers

And because of the strains on the infrastructure which mean that availability of treatment is considerably more iffy.

Yes, of course we have to take precautions about all infectious diseases. But it's a question of scale. This is a pandemic disease with fewer treatment options than other conditions (eg first antiviral just becoming available, in limited quantities , but there are over 200,000 people with blood cancer - the commonest cancer of children and young people, and unlike flu retrovirals, there won't be enough to go round)

(And this question does get asked with irksome frequency - its another reason why we don't feel visible. Because no matter how many times various of us who are CEV or critically immune-suppressed, or have a close family member who is, end up explaining this on thread after thread)

Very high circulation is undesirable for all of society. Even though it's risk of severe disease or death varies between groups

@MamanSparkles

I wish people would stop writing off the CEV. Many of us normally live full, active lives. We have kids and jobs and contribute to society. Just because someone has an underlying condition does not mean they were about to shuffle off this mortal coil, and it does not make it 'ok'. There are also an awful lot of us with underlying conditions who were groups 4 and 6 in the vaccine roll out, so if we all need hospitalising with omicron, given the speed it transmits, the NHS will have a serious problem.

Agreed ,my Dh is 46 and classed as CEV he works full time in a warehouse ,house ,he's not just waiting around to die !

@Undisclosedlocation

A genuine question to those of you who are CEV. I hope not to sound insensitive but I’m struggling to understand why this virus is more of an issue than all of the others and needing of such extreme measures where none have ever been in place for you before for any other virus.

Does a common cold or the flu not also pose you similar risks? Or is it just covid?

It's not insensitive at all; I'm CEV and totally happy to answer questions like this. For me, all viruses are a risk and I had to be extremely careful before Covid too. I already wore masks and avoided certain activities because of the risk of infection - obviously I'm not expecting for things ever to be totally safe for me. That's just my body and I accept that risk is part of my life, like other aspects of being so unwell.

I've actually just had a non-Covid infection (technically still got it), and have stayed gone throughout as part of a complex weighing of risk - despite the problems meeting some criteria of being life threatening (sats below 90, poor breathing, etc). It gets complicated when you have a lot of issues and are juggling them as best you can, with advice from different doctors. I have home oxygen and a lot of monitoring stuff - I am already working with a different 'normal'. It does of course differ a lot depending on your CEV experience, as some are CEV and well (working, sporty, etc), while others are disabled - it doesn't make the first group any less vulnerable! But might cause us to feel a bit differently, I would guess.

The biggest change / most dramatic impact for me has been my own doctors talking about seeing Covid patients (not personal details, of course), and seeing how sincere they were in urging me to continue shielding. I knew I was at risk from flu, etc, but have been having flu jabs for years - though I was effectively shielding during swine flu too. It just wasn't called that.

*stayed home

Sorry about my typos!

I read yesterday that double vaxxed with AZ gives zero protection from this

This is inaccurate too.

What’s been reported — again, badly — is one teeny corner of a small study which suggested that two portions of AZ doesn’t protect against contracting covid. However, in tiny wee small print at the bottom of most of the articles covering this you get the more important bit: that AZ is still likely to better protect against severe illness, hospitalisation and death.

The authors of the study also pointed out that the research isn’t final and more studies need to be done.

So the ship hasn’t sailed for AZ, not by a long chalk.

I do think the way much of the media has reported on covid ‘stories’ has been vague and misleading at best, downright wrong and fear-inducing at worst.

The person could have gone in with a broken leg, had a sniffle abs as a result they were tested for corona.

They tested positive for omicron and Boom! Now you've got cases of omicron in hospital.

There's no context abs it's a lot of scaremongering

@NightmareSlashDelightful

I read yesterday that double vaxxed with AZ gives zero protection from this

This is inaccurate too.

What’s been reported — again, badly — is one teeny corner of a small study which suggested that two portions of AZ doesn’t protect against contracting covid. However, in tiny wee small print at the bottom of most of the articles covering this you get the more important bit: that AZ is still likely to better protect against severe illness, hospitalisation and death.

The authors of the study also pointed out that the research isn’t final and more studies need to be done.

So the ship hasn’t sailed for AZ, not by a long chalk.

I do think the way much of the media has reported on covid ‘stories’ has been vague and misleading at best, downright wrong and fear-inducing at worst.

Agree completely

@Undisclosedlocation in my case a combination of conditions meant I was classed as CEV at the start of the pandemic. Treatment for one of them required starting immunosuppressant medication during the pandemic. My household are vaccinated against everything they can be but my primary school dc is a gaping hole in that wall when it comes to covid.

@WineGetsMeThroughIt please read my post a little upthread, this is not the case.