Anyone had delta, but unvaccinated?

[BrokenArrows]

I've posted before about my extreme anxiety to get the vaccine. Every time I think 'ok, I'm going to get it' I panic a few hours later and think I'll be messing up my menstrual cycle forever (I will start a separate thread about that), and stress out about the potential for getting a blood clot (slim I know, and not my biggest worry until I start thinking about the people who have died from a clot). I also worry about the dozen or so women that I follow on social media who have lost movement in their limbs, or are living with spasms and tingly limbs and fingers as a result of nerve damage. The side effects are a constant worry. As is actually catching covid. I've managed to dodge it so far, but I've got a young child in nursery and another in school. He's had a few children in his class come down with covid, but so far he's managed to dodge it. I'm a bit stressed this evening though to know that his friend's dad has tested positive for it, but the child in his class will still be attending. I'm petrified of the vaccine, and of covid itself. My husband (also unvaxxed) is insistent that no healthy person actually dies o covid (I think this is a ridiculous statement btw, but last time I mentioned an article I read about a young fit and healthy doctor who died 9 weeks after contracting it and spending that time in ICU he got really angry with me and threw it in my face yelling at me calling me ignorant and that he's read many peer reviewed journals on the subject blah blah blah. My point I was trying to make to him was that many seemingly healthy people die, and perhaps they had undetected underlying health conditions. Maybe I do as well? He certainly does, but I'll give him credit that he has an amazing immune system and mine is not the greatest. A simple cold for me last 2 weeks on average which is quite frustrating.

Ramble over. What I basically want to know is - if you (or anyone you know) is unvaccinated (and willing to admit it), and you've caught covid in the past 6 months, how did you feel with it? On deaths door? In the ICU? Just a cough? Completely asymptomatic? I feel like we just hear about the unvaxxed people dying, but not how many have recovered, which I'm almost certain is more than those dying!

@Sugarandtime when using statistics, context is vital when interpreting raw data, otherwise you will not gain any useful insight. I think you are being disingenuous about this.

@riveted1

And why not read the entire report *@Sugarandtime*? Very clearly explained underneath the figures/tables.

Interpretation of data
*These data should be considered in the context of the vaccination status of the population groups shown in the rest of this report. In the context of very high vaccine coverage in the population, even with a highly effective vaccine, it is expected that a large proportion of cases,
hospitalisations and deaths would occur in vaccinated individuals, simply because a larger proportion of the population are vaccinated than unvaccinated and no vaccine is 100% effective. This is especially true because vaccination has been prioritised in individuals who are more susceptible or more at risk of severe disease. Individuals in risk groups may also be more at risk of hospitalisation or death due to non-COVID-19 causes, and thus may be hospitalised or die with COVID-19 rather than from COVID-19. *

I’m quite capable thank you as are whoever else wants to I’m sure. I’m sure yourself and others who have felt the need to directly reply to me weren’t intend on being so rude we’re you ?

I don't understand what's rude about posting the explanation directly from the report you're quoting numbers from @Sugarandtime?

It's like how, for example, crude observational analyses will show children of single mothers are more likely to have a criminal record.

You could take that as it is and lambast single mums for their terrible parenting and demand marriage is necessary before anyone gets pregnant.

Or you could put the findings into context and explain that there are other factors explaining this association.

Perhaps people should stop replying to say how their Covid was. That doesn’t help the OP at all.
Your anxiety is stopping you from having a vaccine that literally billions of people have now had that will protect you and others. If it’s not a no-brainer for you to have it, you should be working through your concerns with a doctor. And not trying to convince yourself you’ll be ok without it just because a bunch of mumsnetters told you about their mild Covid.

Perhaps you didn't realise @Sugarandtime that your post gives the initial impression that the vaccinated are at more risk than the unvaccinated.

My hunch though is that you did know that and that you wanted to mislead those unaware of the base rate fallacy into rejecting vaccination.

Or perhaps you just didn't think things through /were unaware of it yourself, in which case I'd recommend you don't contribute to threads as your lack of knowledge or the ability to contextualise can have dangerous real life consequences for those reading your posts.

Saw this on twitter the other day and thought might be a helpful illustration.

@Level75

Perhaps you didn't realise *@Sugarandtime* that your post gives the initial impression that the vaccinated are at more risk than the unvaccinated.

My hunch though is that you did know that and that you wanted to mislead those unaware of the base rate fallacy into rejecting vaccination.

Or perhaps you just didn't think things through /were unaware of it yourself, in which case I'd recommend you don't contribute to threads as your lack of knowledge or the ability to contextualise can have dangerous real life consequences for those reading your posts.

Bullying and uncalled for untrue accusations have been reported to mumsnet

You have posted this on quite a few threads and posters have linked you to various sources explaining base rate fallacy though @Sugarandtime? Is there a reason you don't accept it as an explanation?

Just to say OP, that none of the unvaccinated people who died of COVID can post on this thread to tell you their experience. And the people who died were overwhelmingly unvaccinated.

So yes, you’d probably be absolutely fine if you caught COVID, but you also might die. If you get vaccinated you will probably be absolutely fine if you catch covid, and your chance of dying is almost nil.

And the people who died were overwhelmingly unvaccinated

This isn’t actually true - you can see from the figures that the majority of people who die are elderly and are vaccinated. The vaccine reduces the risk of serious illness/death but older people are still more likely to die, even if they’ve been vaccinated.

Isn’t the percentage of people who are hospital and those who die, and are unvaccinated make up a higher percentage of those unvaccinated than those vaccinated. So if 10% of adults are unvaccinated and there are 100 people in hospital with COVID, based on that % you would assume 10 of those people would be unvaccinated. But it is a much higher number eg 40 people.

You'll get so many varied answers so it won't make it any clearer for you to decide. You have to decide whether the risk is worth it or not yourself.

My healthy (gym sessions, physical hard working ) uncle also anxious, needle phobia tried and tried to push himself to have vaccination but couldn't go through with it.

Unfortunately in September he contracted covid , it gave him holes in his lungs, he fought and fought but never came back to us once ventilated. Doctor said his viral load was v v high.

You'll hear many stories opposite to this , so like others have said it's a lottery and only you can decide how to play it.

Myself and other NHS worker on same ward got it on the same day pre-vaccinations, both early 60s and overweight although I'd say I was slightly fitter than colleague who did have an underlying condition and my job more physical. She ended up on ICU for a month, I ended up with long covid. Neither of us were able to work for a year and I struggled greatly for another 4 months to work part time and still don't feel 100%after 18 months. Believe me you don't want to feel like this if you have young children! Take any protection you can I'd say.

I am part vaccinated (I had my first vaccine back in April but had side effects so didn't get the second one) and I've just had Covid, and I have been pretty ill with it. My 11 year old brought it home from school. If you have kids in school at the moment (with current infection rates), I think it is inevitable that you will get it sooner or later. I tested positive on the 11th and whilst much better, I'm not back in work yet, feel easily fatigued and have a marked Covid cough.

I've been really careful throughout to avoid catching it, but I still got it. I think your choice is to get vaccinated or get Covid. I'm 45 and have asthma and a previous history of pneumonia so I'm in the 'vulnerable' category. If you catch it (I'm assuming you are younger than me) you will most likely recover, but the risks from Covid infection are much greater than from vaccination. I don't think there is any way to predict how ill you will be.

It’s sounds like you have extreme health anxiety and I don’t think posting a thread like this is going to help you in the slightest, you need to see someone about your anxiety issues.

Husband's unvaccinated colleague and our neighbour's unvaccinated 27-year-old nephew both died of the Delta variant. And my best friend's anti-vax parents (60s) are both in hospital in another country at the moment.

Get vaxxed, OP.

Oh OP, I've got so much empathy for you. That feeling of being seized by indecision, and crippling anxiety about whichever decision you make.
It's not my place to advise you. But, just wanted you to know that there are people out there who totally get where you're coming from.I hope you can find peace with a decision soon, and I wish you the very best of health, physically and mentally

I had covid and am unvaccinated, early 30s and with a weak immune system (colds take an age to shift), I was off work for a day with a headache, sore limbs, cough and exhaustion. Able to work the next day but still under the weather, fully recovered after a week. I’ve had colds that have affected me much worse.

I know healthy young unvaccinated people that ended up in ICU. If it happened to them it can happen to anyone unvaccinated.

No one knows how ill they will be if they do get it so it's really a question of whether you are comfortable taking that gamble.

This really. I'm double vaxxed and pretty healthy (I think) and caught covid from DD who brought it home from school. I felt utterly shit for two weeks but at least I didn't end up in hospital and I don't seem to have any lasting effects. Maybe I'd have been fine without the vaccine. Or maybe I'd have ended up in hospital and still be living with the after effects. Nobody knows, but based on the data, the vaccine may have made covid less serious for me.

But you definitely have a DH problem, I can't imagine that that is helping your anxiety.

I feel like we just hear about the unvaxxed people dying, but not how many have recovered, which I'm almost certain is more than those dying!

That may well be true but you will not know which group you are in until you catch covid! Only you can decide if you're willing to take that risk.

@Sweetpeasaremadeforbees

I feel like we just hear about the unvaxxed people dying, but not how many have recovered, which I'm almost certain is more than those dying!

That may well be true but you will not know which group you are in until you catch covid! Only you can decide if you're willing to take that risk.

You’re statistically far more likely to be in the recovered group.

My otherwise healthy 40 year old colleague is just recovering from it. She has been extremely ill and her sats went down to 88 at one point. She had the common thing of seeming to get better then having a real dip.
She didn’t have the vaccine due to anxiety.
I really feel for her but can’t imagine the anxiety of facing getting it without the protection of a vaccine, I’m sorry but in terms of risk analysis I just can’t get my head round that.

It’s completely true that most unvaccinated people will recover. It’s also absolutely true that many more unvaccinated people will die or suffer long term health consequences than in an equivalent sized group of vaccinated people.

So as lots of people have said, you choose not to vaccinate, you increase your odds of a bad outcome. You’re taking a gamble with worse odds. It might be fine - as many have said, most young people recover just fine.