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Novavax vaccine trial part 4 - STILL waiting for approval

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Frazzled2207 · 01/10/2021 10:33

Here we are again

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MrsHamlet · 12/10/2021 11:14

Possibly.
I got the spiel about getting a booster (I'm not eligible) and needing "counselling" before making decisions.
I'm meant to fly to a country that doesn't accept trial vaccines on December 17th. The window for fixing this is rapidly closing.

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Monkeygirl68 · 12/10/2021 13:39

@MrsHamlet

Update from Chorley: we can only get Pfizer at approved vaccination centres.
Where are they?
We don't know.
You couldn't write this shit.

On our local NHS information, we can see the walk in centres and the types of vaccines they are giving……does this mean I can just rock up and get them?
Novavax vaccine trial part 4  - STILL waiting for approval
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MrsHamlet · 12/10/2021 16:56

@Monkeygirl68 I don't think so.

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Torvean · 13/10/2021 04:35

It's complete bs @MrsHamlet. I got annoyed with my clinic as they gave me 0 medical advice and it's own your own head. Yet in Glasgow it was different.
I'm getting a phone call from the clinical lead when he's back from holiday. It's like we're thrown under the bus.

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ItsSnowJokes · 13/10/2021 06:07

I saw a letter (below) from one of the trial sites on the Facebook group that was absolutely disgusting. It was basically just threats upon threats in my eyes. You may get really ill, if you leave the trial this trial may collapse and novavax may never get approved blah blah blah. I just found the tone really wrong.

"Receiving additional approved vaccine(s) after trial of not-yet approved vaccines

Thank you again for your participation which continues to enable progress to be made in the development of effective vaccines against COVID-19. The world owes you a debt of gratitude.

There is an expectation that the vaccines trialled in phase 3 studies in the UK will offer strong, long-lasting protection against COVID-19, even if they have not yet been approved.

This letter provides important additional information for trial participants on booster vaccines and how they may obtain a COVID Pass for international travel purposes, if needed.

The Government’s expert committee, the Joint Committee on Vaccines and Immunisations (JCVI), together with chief investigators of the clinical trials, have been considering the options in order to provide data-based advice on the risks, benefits, and the best approach to protect COVID-19 vaccine clinical trial participants. The new arrangements apply only to England at this time. They will be rolled out gradually, we would like to ask once again for your patience in being able to get appointments to discuss additional vaccines with your trial team.

Booster vaccines and flu

COVID-19 booster doses are being rolled out to people who are in priority groups, including health and care workers, people with certain health conditions and older people, who have had their primary course at least 6 months ago. We are aware that there has been uncertainty about the position of trial participants which we can now clarify as below.

In consultation with the JCVI and the NHS, the plan agreed is:

  • Trial participants (who are not on a booster trial) can be offered a booster, in line with their priority group.


  • If invited by the NHS, you may go ahead and have a booster dose. On some trials, you may be offered a trial vaccine, which you opt for instead can have if you choose.


  • You should not take up a booster dose if you are on an active booster trial, such as Cov-Boost, AstraZeneca Beta Variant or Sanofi booster, or if you have already had a booster dose on your trial, unless your trial team contacts you to suggest this.


  • You do not need a booster earlier than the rest of the population in your priority group.


  • Common side effects can be expected after additional doses, as with initial doses. These may include headache, arm pain and mild fever.
  • It is important to be aware that the need for, and safety of, additional boosters after trial vaccines has not been fully evaluated and approved by the regulators in the normal way.


Boosters for trial participants are available from certain vaccination centres only, for the time being (unless you were on a trial for a vaccine that has since been approved, in which case you can access a vaccine in the normal way from any centre when you receive your invitation). Please inform the person giving you the vaccine that you are on a trial. Vaccine centres have been informed of the government’s position on booster doses for trial participants. Please tell the trial team when you had your booster at your next appointment.

Whether or not you have a booster COVID-19 jab, we recommend that you have your annual flu jab in line with NHS guidance.

Demonstrating a full course of approved vaccine / international travel

We recognise that many trial participants have been unable to take advantage of some of the benefits offered to people who have received a full course of approved vaccine, particularly overseas travel.
The UK government is working with international partners to ensure that trial participants are recognised. The government is continuing active conversations with other countries, including through groups such as the G7, the EU Commission and the WHO to shape the approach taken around the world to sharing health status for travel, including vaccination status. However, there is currently no internationally agreed policy on trial participants, and we recognise each country sets their own requirements for entry, and we are aware that many do not recognise trial vaccines.

Novavax, Valneva, Medicago and Com-Cov2 trial participants

In consultation with the JCVI, advice has been produced for participants who wish to receive additional doses of approved vaccines, on top of the trial vaccines. This will make it easier for participants to travel overseas. This advice applies to participants on the Novavax, Valneva, Medicago, and Novavax recipients on the Com-Cov2 trial only, as these are the only trials affected by the travel issue.

It is important you are aware of potential risks of having additional doses, which may be without any clinical benefits. Before having any additional doses, please be aware of the following information:

● Safety of additional dose(s). While booster doses following the AZ and Pfizer vaccines have now been approved, there are no studies which provide data when two additional doses are given, and no studies where the new, as-yet unapproved vaccines, have been used as the primary dose with 2 additional doses. We cannot confirm the safety of one or two doses of approved vaccine on top of a full course of trial vaccine (three/four active vaccine doses in total). It is therefore important to discuss the possible risks against benefits with a doctor who is part of the team supporting the trial you are on. You will be exposed to any possible side-effects from further vaccines. The vaccine may not offer you any greater protection against COVID-19.

● International travel. It is important to check the requirements of the country participants wish to travel to, which change frequently. Some countries recognise trial vaccines, or allow entry with swab tests, so there may be no need for an additional vaccine. On return to the UK, UK trial participants have already been given the equivalent status of travellers entering the UK who have received approved vaccines.

● Documentation. The COVID Pass service will be further developed to display the additional approved vaccine doses for international travel. The service will show your additional approved vaccines two weeks after the full course of additional doses has been received. This development is underway and is expected to take a maximum of 10 weeks, which is how long it will take to receive the two additional vaccine doses. Updates will be shared on the Be Part of Research website.

● Timing. In order to be recognised as vaccinated with approved vaccines, participants will generally need 2 doses, 8 weeks apart, with an additional 2 weeks after the second dose, before they are considered to have had an approved vaccine (likely to be a minimum of 10 weeks from the date of your first approved vaccine). We do not know if and when trial vaccines such as Novavax will receive regulatory approval across the world, meaning it is possible further vaccination may be unnecessary by the time of your travel.

● Clinical trial participation. Every participant makes an important contribution to the collection of data about the safety and effectiveness of trial vaccines. We are very grateful for your willingness to help and the time you have given to help identify effective vaccines. Some participants have expressed that they no longer wish to be involved, but if too many participants leave the trial early to receive approved vaccines, there may be a risk that there will not be enough data collected for authorisation, as well as important long term safety follow-up on participants. As a result, we would encourage as many participants to stay in the trial for as long as possible. You are of course free to withdraw from the trial at any time, for any reason, and we appreciate all the time you have given so far. Please just let the trial team know. For some trials, you may be able to stay in for follow-up and monitoring even after receiving additional approved vaccine(s).

If you want to have an additional vaccine to enable travel, please note that this has to be a personal decision made by you in discussion with a doctor who is part of the team supporting your trial, accepting the risks outlined above. You can request it from certain regional centres in England that have been working with the clinical trials. Please take this letter with you.

Booking and receiving your additional vaccine
It is important that you have the opportunity to discuss whether you wish to have additional vaccines with a doctor who is familiar with your trial. This is so that they can talk through any benefits of additional vaccine against the risks, for your particular case. Please do not just arrive at any vaccine centre or try to book your appointment through the 119 system ahead of this.

Your trial site will be in contact with you, as soon as they are ready to offer you an appointment, should you wish to have an additional vaccine. The process of counselling participants who want travel top-ups and arranging for their vaccination will take some time and we ask for you patience as this is rolled out across all sites. We would ask that participants do not call or attend trial sites without an appointment unless they have an urgent concern. This is so that they can put arrangements in place, to support participants through this process. Thank you for your patience as this is offered to all participants as early as possible.

More details will be confirmed on the Be Part of Research webpage (bepartofresearch.nihr.ac.uk/Vaccine-studies/Latest-vaccine-news).

Thank you again for your participation and the important contribution this has made and for your patience whilst this issue has been looked into."
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Dreamer1989 · 13/10/2021 07:53

Some participants have expressed that they no longer wish to be involved, but if too many participants leave the trial early to receive approved vaccines, there may be a risk that there will not be enough data collected for authorisation, as well as important long term safety follow-up on participants. As a result, we would encourage as many participants to stay in the trial for as long as possible.

This bit made me laugh. They can fuck right off - it is NOT our fault that the vaccine isnt authorised. We did our bit months ago allowing them to inject us.

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Level75 · 13/10/2021 07:59

They should have applied for approval more quickly if they didn't want people to leave the trial!
We're able to go on a long booked holiday next week only because DH saw the writing on the wall and got his (first) Pfizer jab back in July.

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JosephineDeBeauharnais · 13/10/2021 08:09

@Dreamer1989

Some participants have expressed that they no longer wish to be involved, but if too many participants leave the trial early to receive approved vaccines, there may be a risk that there will not be enough data collected for authorisation, as well as important long term safety follow-up on participants. As a result, we would encourage as many participants to stay in the trial for as long as possible.

This bit made me laugh. They can fuck right off - it is NOT our fault that the vaccine isnt authorised. We did our bit months ago allowing them to inject us.

But surely the trial is over shortly anyway? We signed up for a year didn’t we? If they haven’t managed to complete their work in the expected timescale then there’s nothing we can do about that. On that basis, we’d be with them indefinitely and nobody agreed to that!
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Vargas · 13/10/2021 14:07

Appointment booked for first Pfizer jab on Friday - hurrah! I will need to 'have a discussion' with a doctor re: risks, and give some more blood, and then I can get the jab, but only at the hospital.

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Jbm21 · 13/10/2021 17:08

Has anyone in the Manchester/Stockport area had any luck getting the additonal Pfizer jabs? I am registered with the Novavax trial at another location but don't want to have to travel needlessly to that site for additonal jabs. Alternatively if anyone has an email for the Manchester/Stockport trial leads please could they PM me?

Thanks

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MrsHamlet · 13/10/2021 18:54

@Vargas how did you find out where to go?
I've now complained to the NIHR about the lack of information about the next steps.

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Monkeygirl68 · 13/10/2021 19:21

[quote MrsHamlet]@Vargas how did you find out where to go?
I've now complained to the NIHR about the lack of information about the next steps.[/quote]
Thank you goodness! We seem to be left in the dark about the whole process! I have no idea what’s happening or what to do. My centre has not been in touch at all…….

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Vargas · 13/10/2021 22:12

@MrsHamlet I received an email from trial team today, and I need to go back to trial site for blood test, meeting with Doc and then I get the vaccine at the hospital vaccine centre. Hopefully you will get some info soon!

I did email the trial team as soon as the announcement was made, so maybe that helped speed things up...

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MrsHamlet · 14/10/2021 07:33

My trial team are desperate not to get involved, it seems. I'm contacting my mp today.

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Torvean · 15/10/2021 01:40

The only ppl getting longer follow up, as far as I'm aware is in the States where Americans get a monthly phone call for the 2nd year at $30 a time. Novavax are deluded if they think ppl aren't pissed by now.

I've finished. But I'm going to speak to the lead on the phone as I think we've been thrown under the bus.

From an English perspective, had you still had your first interim letters, and in Scotland we had a website , ability to print our letter plus an app. Would you consider that as equal?
I need an outside perspective as I may have obliterated someone over their comment.

NS off to Iceland, and COP26 is I Glasgow so there will be no decision made here in a hurry.

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Dreamer1989 · 15/10/2021 11:51
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Torvean · 15/10/2021 15:34

They should really stop using the word UK when they mean England.
They've not upheld promises on domestic certification.
They'll do nothing on this for us just like the Pfizer arrangements for all UK participants that only apply to England.

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MrsHamlet · 15/10/2021 16:43

Still nothing from Chorley.

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Vargas · 15/10/2021 17:49

Thanks for link to article @Dreamer1989. I still have a hope that there will be an international mandate to allow all trial participants to travel internationally in the same way double vaxxed people can. I am hoping that I won't need another Pfizer jab in 8 weeks, as I would feel better treating my jab today as a booster...

So I'm in England, I was unblinded today, not because I asked but they were doing it as part of my appointment. I had a blood test, signed some more forms and then went to the vaccine centre in the hospital and had my first Pfizer jab. There were several other people there today doing the same thing. The doctor who spoke to me was very apologetic, but I couldn't get angry with her as it's not the trial team's fault.

Evidently I still have to go for one more appointment, although the doctor was so thankful that I said I would, I have a feeling quite a few people are telling them to get stuffed!

I'm so very sorry for the people in Scotland who have been royally screwed over by Novavax and the Scottish government, what a terrible situation for you all.

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Frazzled2207 · 15/10/2021 18:56

@Jbm21

Has anyone in the Manchester/Stockport area had any luck getting the additonal Pfizer jabs? I am registered with the Novavax trial at another location but don't want to have to travel needlessly to that site for additonal jabs. Alternatively if anyone has an email for the Manchester/Stockport trial leads please could they PM me?

Thanks

I am (was) and got the following email today despite the fact that I left and was given Moderna in July. It came from [email protected]
however I am not sure they will deal with you if you are not one of 'theirs'. Worth an email though.

Dear Participant,

To enable you to get either a booster or 2 doses of a nationally deployed vaccine so you can travel outside the UK, we are required to complete the following process with you:

  • You will need to attend a counselling session with a study doctor so the JCVI can be sure you are aware of the risks involved.


  • If you require unblinding, we will do this and confirm the dates when you received Novavax.


  • A prescription will then be provided to use at the Manchester University Hospital vaccine centre, which has been designated by the JCVI government group for use by our participants.


We will forward you full details of the centre together with other hubs you can visit once we have the full details of how you can book in.

For those still blinded or in the crossover study, your appointment at the vaccine centre will need to be a minimum of 48 hours after your prescription is issued to allow for the NIMS system / NHS app to be updated to show your correct Novavax vaccine dates

To enable us to organise the above, would you please provide us with answers to the following questions via return email:



  1. Do you want a booster -1 dose for immune protection or 2 doses to be able to travel outside of the UK?


  1. Would you attend a group consent session with a study doctor over zoom on an agreed date to discuss the risks and benefits?


  1. If you are due to travel abroad shortly, please email us the date you are booked to travel on.


Many thanks,

Yours faithfully

D N Baxter
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CleoUK · 16/10/2021 09:03

Valneva trial participant here Wink
I have managed to get through to my research centre ( East Midlands) yesterday as they were not replaying to my emails.
I have appointment booked for wc 25th Oct for unblinding as there is big chance I had AZ and they have admitted that now they have a way to add it to the app so there is a chance I don't have to take extra 2 vaccines. My trial jabs were in May with definitive reactions so would prefer to avoid it after less than 6 months...

The woman that I spoke to was very nice but admitted they were really busy reacting to people calling and asking for approved vaccines and haven't been replaying to emails etc. It felt almost that it was their strategy to deal with those who called and asked and hope the rest will stay in trial Hmm

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Vargas · 16/10/2021 09:42

For those on Novavax trial who had Novavax listed on their NHS app and have had two approved vaccines, are both your non-Novavax jabs showing on the NHS app, or just one?

I can see that my new Pfizer one is there - woohoo, but I wonder what will happen when I get my second Pfizer jab?

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MrsHamlet · 16/10/2021 12:47

Letter from Chorley today. Tells me nothing I don't already know and nothing I need to know.

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Torvean · 17/10/2021 02:38

@Vargas

For those on Novavax trial who had Novavax listed on their NHS app and have had two approved vaccines, are both your non-Novavax jabs showing on the NHS app, or just one?

I can see that my new Pfizer one is there - woohoo, but I wonder what will happen when I get my second Pfizer jab?

I've tried to have my Novavax details removed from the registry
( Scotland). I've emailed them, heard nothing. And the clinic say the registry don't have to remove my details as its medical records. ...

It's like everything here is always made into an issue..

The app ( I can't use) has my middle name wrong. I contacted them... they say that's not possible as middle names don't get added. Clearly I must be seeing things, or I have a very.vivid imagination.
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Monkeygirl68 · 19/10/2021 13:44

Any updates from anyone? Are we any clearer on the way forward?? Are we to get two extra PFizers, or not? Read lots of conflicting information and unsure whether to phone my trial centre up or not, as I fear that I will just be ‘snubbed’ (centre is in Cardiff).

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