Nightingales

[Bouncycastle12]

Why is there so much emphasis on hospitals filling up but nothing about shifting people to the Nightingale hospitals? Are they all mothballed? What was the point in them?

@jasjas1973

Clearly not every nurse is twiddling their thumbs. But I know for a fact that many NHS staff were left with nothing to do for many months this year.

I would like to see the introduction of a ‘flying squad’ of doctors and nurses able to be moved around the country when and where needed.

It needs to be made very clear to NHS staff that they are our frontline in the fight against this virus. I would issue them all with pin badges saying ‘home guard’.

I would like to see the introduction of a ‘flying squad’ of doctors and nurses able to be moved around the country when and where needed.

Which staff can volunteer to be part of, not forced.

And what does Home Guard mean anyway?!

@QueenofmyPrinces

The home guard terminology would reflect the fact that our NHS staff are our soldiers in this battle against coronavirus.

In a war, you want your troops on the frontline, not hundreds of miles away sitting idle.

Nurses aren’t soldiers or troops though are they.

Their job description does not include them being moved way from their family (most likely to include young children) and be relocated to anywhere in the UK and put their own health and lives at risk.

I’m pretty sure if that was in the job description applications to doing a nursing degree would dramatically fall.

@QueenofmyPrinces

Of course there will be some NHS staff who have genuine circumstances that mean they cannot work elsewhere. That is fine.

But there are a huge number of NHS staff who do not have young DC or perhaps have a partner or grandparents able to provide childcare.

As I said, this is something that happens in many jobs. North Sea oil workers spend up to half of the year offshore away from their families.

The government should offer a one-off financial payment to the individuals that are put to work elsewhere.

@BritWifeinUSA

But the hospitals are not “filling up”. At least not the ICU wards. They are not much busier than they would normally be. The Nightingales are supposed to be for ventilated patients. They are not needed.

Ours is filling up thanks very much.....🙄 and the local nightingale is being prepped.

Btw less Patients in ICU As they are using cpap and similar to try to deal with less severe cases at first

[quote Ecosse]@QueenofmyPrinces

Of course there will be some NHS staff who have genuine circumstances that mean they cannot work elsewhere. That is fine.

But there are a huge number of NHS staff who do not have young DC or perhaps have a partner or grandparents able to provide childcare.

As I said, this is something that happens in many jobs. North Sea oil workers spend up to half of the year offshore away from their families.

The government should offer a one-off financial payment to the individuals that are put to work elsewhere.[/quote]
North Sea oil workers know that when they sign up. They don't spring it on them two weeks into the job.

Ecosse is troll or a tory bot.

@vjg13

I think they would run with medical students, student nurses and a few qualified staff and offer minimal palliative care only.

You can't run any kind of palluative care ward with the majority of staff being students. There's no way nurse unions would agree to this. Nightingale wards are full of intensive care equipment. That requires the same level of staff as in any NHS hospital.

'The Nightingales are supposed to be for ventilated patients'

Incorrect, apart from the London model of care.

'I think the government should amend NHS contracts to allow staff to be temporarily relocated across the country where needed'

All the thousands of nursing vacancies and you think this would be any solution to anything?

My area is in a nursing staffing crisis, they cannot recruit anyone to vacancies and this is in an area which was typically easy to recruit to. You are absolutely deluded.

Nevermind that most nurses are women, who generally take on the majority of child care.

Newly qualifieds are paid 24k a year, and you think they should be posted around the country, laughable.

'But the hospitals are not “filling up'

My local hospital rang the other night to see if we could send staff as they are overwhelmed and understaffed, the answer was no, we have two nursing staff on for the whole of one borough overnight.

The situation up north is different from that elsewhere.

Scarily redeployed from other areas, as someone else said. My husband is a school nurse, he hasn't been on ward in over 8 years so that is too long for him in a normal situation to join bank nursing or yo go back to the wards to be in hospital but enough for him to be redeployed to icu or a nightingale hospital (he isn't icu trained), he would be one of the first to be called if the systems like it was inthe first lockdown

And if he is redeployed he doesn't have a choice about it

😂 home guard pins. Will we get a broom handle too?

Nurses are really not sat idle. We’re all very busy doing our usual jobs, in areas like cancer, surgery, a&e and so on. We are also critically short staffed as can’t retain people as the work is hard and poorly renunerated. Hilarious that people on shit wages might agree to leave their homes and families to be transported to staff nightingales at the other end of the country. People who work on oil rigs are very well renumerated for the inconvenience. Our employers also wouldn’t let us, as, you know, we have jobs to do.

Nightingales are ill thought out white elephants. Patients unwell enough to be ventilated also tend to have multi organ failure, needing dialysis, anti coagulation and access to various medical specialties the likes you only have in proper hospitals. Nightingales will never have the staff qualified to operate all the ventilators and nurse seriously ill, unstable patients. ITU have also been run on minimal staffing because of austerity measures. Nightingales also no good for low dependency patients as they don’t have proper bathroom or catering facilities. Field hospitals are a bit useless in this situation and we knew that from the outset.

@Ecosse here we go with you usual claptrap. Do you have any idea what's happening in Devon? Local hospital has declared a major incident due to covid beds exceeding what they can cope with (and they can cope with a lot less than bigger areas. There are no 'nurses sitting idle' you knob. Stop repeating the same thing on every thread about hospitals and find something else to go on about. Or better still volunteer to work in the nightingales.

[quote Ecosse]@jasjas1973

Clearly not every nurse is twiddling their thumbs. But I know for a fact that many NHS staff were left with nothing to do for many months this year.

I would like to see the introduction of a ‘flying squad’ of doctors and nurses able to be moved around the country when and where needed.

It needs to be made very clear to NHS staff that they are our frontline in the fight against this virus. I would issue them all with pin badges saying ‘home guard’.[/quote]
A pin badge? Are you serious?

I think a decent salary would be preferable.

What happened to the plan to use airline cabin crew to staff these hospitals that was talked about back in March?

I thought armed forces medics were part of the plan, too.

Data out today - 1 in 20 people who get COVID are still ill after 8 weeks. So not everybody but not exactly 1 in a million either.

Rest well OP It takes time to recover from "mild" cases like this.

Oops wrong tbread

Ecosse can keep their pin badge
NHS staff didn’t sign up to be “army” or redeployed around the country.

Staff sitting idle?! NHS staff can catch covid or have to isolate due to contact too. Our workforce is being decimated by covid related absence.
Where do you think this mythical NHS staff tree is?

@Rosehip10

Ecosse is troll or a tory bot.

Astroturfer I think. More insidious.

It's hilarious that because @Ecosse husband once got sent to work in a different office and some 'friends' in the NHS didn't have as much to do over lockdown (when everyone stayed at home and everything non life threatening was cancelled and this will never happen again) - she thinks she is the voice of the NHS future. Every thread is the same and unfortunately - she sounds like a right idiot on every one.

Every thread is the same and unfortunately - she sounds like a right idiot on every one.

Yep!

@Bouncycastle12

But if they don’t have the staff, what was the point in building them?

Well, you do wonder. Possibly because it's a lot cheaper to repurpose and rebrand rather than fund things decently from the word go.

Many staff in different industries are expected to relocate for a few weeks according to business need.

Maybe the forces? Apart from that, there really aren't many. Relocation packages are eye wateringly expensive, and not many people take a job on a nurse's salary if they know they're going to have to move around the country. Apart from that, it's another great idea no one's ever had.