In all honesty. Do you think people will follow Mondays rule.. Honest truth

[DidSheReallySayThat20]

Everyone I have spoken to, or seen on SM have said how stupid it is and they will not be following the rule /law.

My dbs manager who owns the workplace. Was due to have a get together at home next sunday for their teens birthday.
They are now doing it at work. ( a garage.)
Has now said by doing it there and ' booking in the relatives cars for a visual inspection /safety check ' whilst waiting they could get together on forecourt spaced out, Because they would be 'customers' and they would be at work. And it's no different to it being random customers just because it's family.
So there would be 2 cars' booked in' one of. Which is a couple., one a family Of 3. Plus their own household of 4 (the teens work there weekends cleaning etc anyway)

Which made me think how silly the rule is. They can't do that in their garden but can on a forecourt (the garage is not on a main road or anything and out the way so unlikely to be seen)

[IceCreamAndCandyfloss]

@sparklefarts

I don't think they will.

I've already been invited to drinks with four other households. In one house. Now I'm going to have to be the one who looks like a boring arse by saying no.

Do you feel boring by adhering to other laws?

Maybe the others will say no too if the numbers are over six.

[DidSheReallySayThat20]

And I also don't think it's going to stop the speak with 6 limited when so many other things are open.

I am Glad kids are back to school. Because they need it. However my ds returned yesterday and by break he text saying how here was barely any distancing. Lads play fighting etc. The teachers couldn't control it. ( I'd hate to be them in that situation)

And of course unis, colleges.. Pubs and everything
I saw some people I used to go to school with on my fb all went to the pub. Photos all with eachother. Not sat all together but throughout the night all had pics etc. Hugging kissing etc.
The tables looked like it was 4 maybe 6per table but booths so quite enclosed.

I find it all a bit pants tbh.

And I'm not perfect. I met in gardens. Before allowed etc but I think it should be down to common sense. At the end of the day people who want to have house parties or whatever are going to either way and not care.

[Queenfreak]

I'll follow the law, because its law.
However I think its bloody ridiculous!

It's going to cause issues in the family too, as I'm the only one who will insist on sticking to the law, and so I'm in for arguments with my husband, and risk offending my lovely inlaws and sil

[QuestionMarkNow]

I’d like to understand the logic behind that rule first.

Are we saying that it’s more dangerous to meet up with family than it is to spend 8hours with work colleagues or in a class of 30? Or going to a football match (I’m thinking about he one in Durham that has led to 30 ish people testing positive and about 300 to be told to self isolate...)

All this because that place is ‘Covid secure’ which means nothing more than cleaning surfaces a bit more often And maybe reducing the number of people in one room.

[trilbydoll]

We haven't been doing much socialising anyway, I suspect we will comply with the law without any conscious thought tbh. I desperately want schools to stay open so I hope people just take it as a sign to limit their interactions and remember it hasn't gone away, we can't all go back to normal just yet.

[Fuckthelotofyou]

Nope

[Batshitbeautycosmeticsltd]

On MN, yeah. In real life, no.

[EDSGFC]

@TheDailyCarbuncle

Infections are going up at an alarming rate, looking at the picture in other countries it's obvious that without controls in place there will be a second wave, if we aren't already approaching it. I cannot see how arguing for no controls leads anyone to think there will be no impact on health services, the economy or education.

There is no immunity to this disease and that means everyone is at risk of catching it. I was listening to an American doctor talk about this yesterday. In order to achieve herd immunity 4 million Americans would be ill enough to need hospital care and they have 906,000 hospital beds. That doesn't consider the number that would die, the number of ITU beds needed or beds occupied by people with other illnesses. I cannot see any logic in arguing that we can let this run through the population.

[madcatladyforever]

No I don't even colleagues who work in the NHS are mostly not doing it because they know nobody else is and are sick to the back teeth of it all.

[madcatladyforever]

I never see more than 2-3 people at a time anyway so doesn't really apply to me as my family live 300 miles away.

[JanewaysBun]

I'll be at the park, if family happen to be there too it's probably just a coincidence....

My flat is too small for more than 6 people anyway so indoors isn't really an issue for me!

[CherryLicious]

Living in Lockdown Leicester, I would be OVERJOYED if the Rule of 6 could be applied here.
We are STILL limited to mixing with only our own household or single person/ parent bubble indoors. We can't even meet one other person indoors or in our own garden.
We can only meet them, socially distanced, in a public outdoor space.
I'm longing for the rule of 6- this is our 25th week of the strictest restrictions.....

[RedskyAtnight]

I’d like to understand the logic behind that rule first.

The logic is

• to restrict large (>6) social gatherings (work and school are not social. It's more important that people can do these things, than meet up in a group of 8)
• to give people a rule that's easy to remember and understand

[QuestionMarkNow]

@EDSGFC, the problem is, you just cannot look at the raw numbers and just say ‘well, there are more cases diagnosed so it’s getting very serious’.
The number of tests done has increased exponentially recently so it’s only logical WITH THE SAME LEVEL OF INFECTION that we see also an exponential number of cases.

What would be a much better number is the number of people in hospital. (Number of people dying also interesting but also skewed as we now have a much better idea of how to treat people with Covid which also means less death)

It’s not possible to look at what is happening with such a simplistic tool as the number of cases.

[Batshitbeautycosmeticsltd]

A wave has to have crested and withdrawn for there to be a 'second wave'. This one never did, there's no 'second wave'. It's here to stay. Lockdowns don't work. People are starting to realise it's another thing that will have to be lived with, live being the operative word.

[Deelish75]

@Joeyandpacey

People I know are having huge park meet ups. ‘Because anyone can go to a park’. Are they right? I don’t know.

My police force have just issued a Facebook statement. They and the council will be ensuring that safety advice is being respected in parks and beaches.

I take from that that they will be patrolling more and breaking up gathering of more six.

[QuestionMarkNow]

@RedskyAtnight but WHY is it risky to have a social gathering but a work gathering is not??
What is different?

For me, the only difference is that it happens behind closed doors so there isn’t a societal pressure to behave in a certain way.
Otherwise how could explain it’s ok to have a meal at a restaurant but not in your own house?

[DidSheReallySayThat20]

@madcatladyforever
Yes I have a relative that's said the same.

My house is more ' covid secure' than any covid secure place I've been to. Yet its supposedly more dangerous or likely to Cause infection rates to increase more than a football stadium

[CrunchyNutNC]

questionmark Dangerous assumption. The number of tests is no longer increasing at the same rate, nor is there any certainty that all covid-positive people are presenting for testing (look on many other MN threads to see people offered a test hours from where they live).

[sparklefarts]

@IceCreamAndCandyfloss no and I don't think it makes me boring. I just get the vibe that lots of people would eye roll and 'rule obeyers' and think I'm being anal

[sparklefarts]

Eye roll AT rule obeyers I mean

[QuestionMarkNow]

That is true. But you can’t argue that there are more tests done in the last month than there was in last March or April.

That’s why I’m saying raw numbers don’t say anything. We need an idea of the number of tests done too (whether it’s increasing, decreasing or whatnot) to make a proper assessment.

As for being sure if all Covid people are going for a test... it wasn’t the case in April either. Because no one even with symptoms had access to a test unless they were ill in hospital.

[RedskyAtnight]

but WHY is it risky to have a social gathering but a work gathering is not??
What is different?

You're missing the point. It may well be more risky (where risky is defined as likely to transmit the virus) to have 30 children in a classroom at school than it is to have 8 people in your garden.

But the value of having 30 children in school is significantly greater than the value of you being able to meet 7 other people socially. And, as at a national level, we have to look at total risk, decisions are made to reduce the likelihood of transmission in some areas, to allow other things to continue.

[QuestionMarkNow]

Sorry that there are NOT more tests done now than in April.

[Concerned7777]

I'm a family of 5, il continue to see my parents and in laws (obviously not at the same time) which will mean there will be 7 of us...i am hoping we follow Scotland and not include under 12s in the group of 6.