‘School will have to look different from now on’....

[Starrynightsabove]

‘With a mix of home schooling and in-school learning’

So said Nicola Sturgeon.

So how does this work for a single parent trying to work full time from home with a full on job who needs to pay the mortgage. Literally how does this work?

[PicsInRed]

Basically this is just anxious people who want to hide at home do a half arsed job of home schooling and need the cover of forcing everyone else to do it too.

You want to "homeschool" your kids, safe in the knowledge that "hubby" can work and pay the bills? Fine, withdraw your kids from their place at school and do that. Leave me and mine out of your domestic fantasy so I can continue to work and both house and feed my child.

[RigaBalsam]

Yes school is very precious to abused children.

That is not what the answer is in response too. Yes that is absolutely a major concern. Its a huge societal issue which teachers have been shouting about years.

Funny how everyone is finally concerned now when they haven't previously.

Education wise they won't be that far behind, I am more worried about the physical and mental health.

[Whattodowhattodooo]

@PicsInRed

Agree with you 100%. Although don't forget to send your kids in with a body bag everyday, as some so very helpfully posted to advise the other day. 🙄

[PicsInRed]

Whattodowhattodooo

Oh exactly. Honestly, some of the screeching posts on FB. I mean, look, go ahead and homeschool unschool your kids if you want youre not though are you, you're just baking and taking walks but don't try to force me and everyone else to join you. You're on your own.

[SudokuBook]

Because people won't die because your wee precious misses a couple months of school? Even if they miss a whole year (for the sake of argument) that's still preferable to the deaths of thousands of people surely? Do you actually understand what happens if e NHS is overwhelmed?

Yes I do actually but my eldest son is in high school and his education is actually important, it’s not colouring in and basic arithmetic any more. It’s not acceptable for our kids to be sacrificed in this way.

[TheMagiciansMewTwo]

You do realise all the DCs will be in the same position. This need to do exams at a certain time and age is harking back to a pre-pandemic normal that doesn't exist.
Your DC is going to be the exact same as his peers which may not be how the year before did it, but they'll survive. The irony is that exam diets and even exams have changed a lot over the years simply because of decisions made by the education department. Now, there is acting a medical reason for the change and suddenly people can't cope or process it? I'm struggling to believe that tbh.

[RigaBalsam]

Yes I do actually but my eldest son is in high school and his education is actually important, it’s not colouring in and basic arithmetic any more. It’s not acceptable for our kids to be sacrificed in this way.

They may miss 13 weeks at the most. It's not great but please have some perspective.

Sacrificed talk about catastrophising.

I have every faith I can catch my students up.

[PicsInRed]

I have every faith I can catch my students up.

Marvellous. What are you planning to do about feeding and housing the kids of single mothers who now can't work? And the families who relied on the 2nd income? I look forward to receiving your mortgage and food contributions. Too kind.

[RigaBalsam]

Marvellous. What are you planning to do about feeding and housing the kids of single mothers who now can't work? And the families who relied on the 2nd income? I look forward to receiving your mortgage and food contributions. Too kind.

That is not what I was responding to and you know that. I am focusing on the kids education wise. Of course that's an issue too but I am responding to people saying the kids are sacrificed or did you not read the thread.
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I am Secondary anyway so not sure I can help with your childcare on a normal day.

[TheMagiciansMewTwo]

Well, yes I can see how being dead cuts the bills but it seems rather an extreme approach.
There are lots of groups both governmental and charities providing support and putting support in place. If you're genuinely struggling Pics and not just making points to further your argument then perhaps you can say where in the country you are? And posters can point you to support you can access. If you don't want to do it on this thread, you can start another one. I know there are lots of initiatives in my area.

[RigaBalsam]

look forward to receiving your mortgage

Lucky you have a mortgage as I haven't.

[catsandlavender]

I know the stuff I’m setting my kids (I’m a student teacher) is no substitute for school. I can’t actually teach them the stuff they need to know to get through the early learning goals (not that they’ll be assessed on these anyway...). Like I’ve sent home a bunch of stuff on doubling, but parents are so busy I don’t really expect them to have the time to sit down and teach it to them in depth.
Ultimately most kids academically will be ok... it’s more that i think school will be different and that will be weird for them and there will be separation anxiety, some general anxiety etc. I think kids will find it harder emotionally than they will academically. For me the academic side of things is no reason to send kids back in... no child will be receiving the level of education they would be at school.

[PicsInRed]

I'm not requesting money FFS. That would be disgraceful and I find it disgraceful that you imply that motivation of me in order to redirect the conversation.

I'm stating plain fact that it is not in children's best interests to lose their homes and be malnourished because their parent(s) lost their jobs and then their homes. Parents need schools open to work and therefore to feed and house the same children who so many express "concern" for in seeking to help their own children home.

[PicsInRed]

*keep their own children home

[catsandlavender]

his education is actually important
Um... you realise he wouldn’t have even got to the stage in his education without everything that came before it? 😂 sorry, education doesn’t just suddenly become important when they hit secondary school.

[TheMagiciansMewTwo]

Ah Pics you're not struggling. You were just hypothetically speaking for other parents who might be because you thought that furthered your argument. My apologies for assuming you were sincere.

[Aesopfable]

That is not what I was responding to and you know that. I am focusing on the kids education

Great. Except you cannot separate these things out. Education/childcare/care for vulnerable abused children are all part and parcel of opening schools. You might like to think about education in isolation but others can’t.

Your DC is going to be the exact same as his peers

Yes two year groups. Though when it comes to applying for university or jobs you are not just competing with your own year group.

[veryvery]

I think a lot of people's working patterns will change, not just schools.

Companies and employees will have discovered it is possible for a lot of roles to be done from home. There is added incentive as the question of social distancing at work is raised once lockdown is relaxed. Some office buildings will have to either be changed dramatically or closed due to things like stair wells and lifts posing problems. If people's workplace becomes their home then any travelling to the main office for meetings etc will be considered business travel. Traffic from people commuting will be also be impacted.

Schools are just one part of all this.

[PicsInRed]

I think a lot of people's working patterns will change, not just schools.

The major concern for me personally, and as a feminist, is that mothers will be prioritised for redundancy and that we as a group won't fight it hard simply because we will be too burdened with suddenly homeschooling and kids at home to have the bandwidth - as a class - to make that fight. Ideally men would step up to do 50/50 and help with that fight, but we know, as a class, that won't happen in reality.

This crisis could either do amazing things for women - more flexible work - or be the worst thing to happen to us since the men came home from the war (and we were sent ... home).

The impoverishment of women is also the impoverishment of children and I fear this is where the crisis will lead.

[RigaBalsam]

Great. Except you cannot separate these things out. Education/childcare/care for vulnerable abused children are all part and parcel of opening schools. You might like to think about education in isolation but others can’t.


No its a huge societal issue that should have been addressed before now. Also you have totally missed the point in what I was responding too. So next time try reading the thread first.

[RigaBalsam]

To! Aghh

[veryvery]

In my immediate experience, I know of workplaces now gearing up for more employees engaging in remote working from home which can align with more flexible working. Undoubtedly there will be issues, especially with regards to suitable working space but I think more working from home is very much a change which is on the cards which can't be easily ignored.

[veryvery]

Sorry, last post in reply to Pics

[Aesopfable]

No its a huge societal issue that should have been addressed before now. Also you have totally missed the point in what I was responding too.

I have read the thread and it is you who are spectacularly missing the point.

[veryvery]

The major concern for me personally, and as a feminist, is that mothers will be prioritised for redundancy and that we as a group won't fight it hard simply because we will be too burdened with suddenly homeschooling and kids at home to have the bandwidth - as a class - to make that fight. Ideally men would step up to do 50/50 and help with that fight, but we know, as a class, that won't happen in reality

I think men won't be able to ignore it if they are having to work from home too! Unless they can physically shut themselves away from the children they will be spending more time with them, whilst trying to work. On a positive note it might force some men to become more engaged with their children. They can't hide away at the office. But for some it might lead to conflict within the home.